What Not To Wear (while riding)


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99vengeur

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I think this image is very telling! :eek:

 
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JonKerr

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South Grade on that map is where we ride. We call it the tight side. East Grade is what we call the fast side or straight side. lol. I'm a big pussy going down hill on the road. It's odd because there are other roads where I'm much more comfortable going down hill. But Pally's not one. Here's a couple of videos I took that will illustrate it.

Me heading down hill:
Palomar Downhill on Vimeo

Compared to me heading up hill:
Palomar in January on Vimeo

The speed difference is significant. The turn that those shots I just did is the one just at that 3200' elevation mark on the map. You come to in the downhill video at 1:55 and at 1:32 on the uphill clip.
 
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Sparkxx1

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I want to go to Palomar, but have it totally empty. I find the best way to learn is through experience only. I went up to some very mild twisties in upstate new york and I came back a totally different rider.
 
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JonKerr

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We would all like Paly to be empty. LOL. We actually approached the police and county to propose a Palomar time trial "race" where we shut down the street and actually run an event with the Police. Entry fees, sponsors, all going to charity, etc... Idea was shot down really fast. Shortly after that the county cut the grooves in the road on the center DY.

When I was out of work for a little while, I went there around 9:00AM in the middle of the week a few times and it was about as empty as you could get. I actually don't ride there all that often. It's an hour ride away from me (it'a very fun twisty ride to get there so it's worth it) I usually will head up there if I'm with some friends who want to ride there or on my own if I've changed something on the bike. Different tires, bar position, etc... It's a good test on how the bike will feel. I need to get up there soon to see how the bike feels with the new offset pegs. This time of year you really have to watch for debris in the road because it snows A LOT up there.
 
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Sparkxx1

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JonKerr said:
We would all like Paly to be empty. LOL. We actually approached the police and county to propose a Palomar time trial "race" where we shut down the street and actually run an event with the Police. Entry fees, sponsors, all going to charity, etc... Idea was shot down really fast. Shortly after that the county cut the grooves in the road on the center DY.

When I was out of work for a little while, I went there around 9:00AM in the middle of the week a few times and it was about as empty as you could get. I actually don't ride there all that often. It's an hour ride away from me (it'a very fun twisty ride to get there so it's worth it) I usually will head up there if I'm with some friends who want to ride there or on my own if I've changed something on the bike. Different tires, bar position, etc... It's a good test on how the bike will feel. I need to get up there soon to see how the bike feels with the new offset pegs. This time of year you really have to watch for debris in the road because it snows A LOT up there.
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I know it wouldn't be empty but I can dream! :sinister::drool:
 
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JonKerr

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Well it's actually been a little cooler again around here so the squids tend to cover up. But there's a few here and there.





Nice form. :eek: Is this guy serious???



This guy too. WTF????



Dumb ass



Crappy form and an ugly ass helmet hawk. :banghead:



Holy crap, run wide much?? WTF is he thinking?



 
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dart1963

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John, you ever get a chance to talk to these guys? Or are they pretty much loner, "I know what I'm doing" type riders?

Seen a few bad form pics in there... but, it's really hard to know... I know I goof off sometimes, could be going slower than dirt and pampering a cramp.... pictures don't always tell the whole story...

just curious... I know you've talked with a few that showed us the correct form and gear
 
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JonKerr

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Not really. I did talk to the guy who left half his knee on the ground in that turn by draggin' knee in jeans. Many of them I've seen on the road, at food stops, at gas stations, talking themselves up with their friends like they're Rossi or something. Telling their even newer rider friends things that are just plain wrong. It scares me sometimes when I see a rider who's very obviously brand new, getting advice from some of their "Experienced" friends. Many seem like the kind of guys who wouldn't take too kindly to a stranger (especially one on a bike that they would look at and not consider it a real sport bike) coming to them with some unsolicited advice. I did have one come to me one day who was on a Repsol CBR1000RR and couldn't keep up with me. He was amazed. I'd seen him out there before and he's just not a good rider. He asked me how I got a bike like mine to be so fast. I told him the bike is pretty much stock, I just learned how to ride properly. He didn't like that too much. I do know a few guys who's shots I've seen doing dumb ass things like dragging their hand on the ground and I let them know what I think. I don't hold back usually if I know the person. ;)
 
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Detrich

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I noticed that if I don't ride consistently & frequently, I start getting really slow- not that I was ever remotely fast to begin with. But, sometimes I just get tired of chasing the jonses and just like cruising & enjoying the scenery... Guess I'm getting old. xP
 
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CDN6R

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Jon Kerr:: I know that You Tube probably has lots of videos,,but has there ever been videos from Palomar Riders that are for sale on DVD? I think that it would be neat to see a video with narration of different riders,styles,good and not so good for a learning experience. The not so good styles don't have to be anything really graphic (injuries/blood) but just examples of bad riding form,and good riding form. If it was avaliable I would purchase it. Laurie.
 
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dart1963

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Laurie: Best place to start:

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-II-Keith-Code/dp/0965045072/ref=pd_bxgy_d_text_b]Amazon.com: A Twist of the Wrist II: Keith Code, Chief: Movies & TV[/ame]

there is no point in following bad riding styles... just focus on what you should be doing...

semi-quote from the book: never focus on what you did wrong, or what you could have done better, focus on what you did right and you will incrementally get better.
 
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iSpoolin

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Jon, what site is it you get all these pics from?
 
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iSpoolin

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dart1963 said:
Laurie: Best place to start:

Amazon.com: A Twist of the Wrist II: Keith Code, Chief: Movies & TV

there is no point in following bad riding styles... just focus on what you should be doing...

semi-quote from the book: never focus on what you did wrong, or what you could have done better, focus on what you did right and you will incrementally get better.
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Do they actually sell a book with that Dart? I have the movie that I downloaded, but i've wanted the book forever.
 
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CDN6R

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Yes there are a couple of books by Keith Code,,but I never heard of the Video(Thanks Dart). Until I got the 6R I was out of the motorcycle world for many,many years.
 
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Spunky99

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JonKerr

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iSpoolin said:
Jon, what site is it you get all these pics from?
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The main ones are:
hwy94photo.com
1904photography.com
rickclemson.com
motofoto.us

These are the main local photographers who sit up in our local mountain twisties, taking pics of mainly bikes, but also cars on the weekends. You can usually use the low res watermarked ones like I post up but they also sell the full res shots online. A lot of guys will run laps up and down to get multiple shots from different angles. There are some good and some bad things about them.

Good:
1. You get to see yourself on your bike. Can't get much better than that.

2. I actually have used their pictures to help tune my riding form and abilities a lot. What you feel like you're doing and what you really are doing on the bike can be two very different things.

Bad:
1. You can get a lot of guys showing off, doing stupid things for the photographers. Have seen a number of crashes from guys doing this.

2. They sometimes bring some unwanted attention from the police even if we're not really doing anything wrong.
 

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iSpoolin

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JonKerr said:
The main ones are:
hwy94photo.com
1904photography.com
rickclemson.com
motofoto.us

These are the main local photographers who sit up in our local mountain twisties, taking pics of mainly bikes, but also cars on the weekends. You can usually use the low res watermarked ones like I post up but they also sell the full res shots online. A lot of guys will run laps up and down to get multiple shots from different angles. There are some good and some bad things about them.

Good:
1. You get to see yourself on your bike. Can't get much better than that.

2. I actually have used their pictures to help tune my riding form and abilities a lot. What you feel like you're doing and what you really are doing on the bike can be two very different things.

Bad:
1. You can get a lot of guys showing off, doing stupid things for the photographers. Have seen a number of crashes from guys doing this.

2. They sometimes bring some unwanted attention from the police even if we're not really doing anything wrong.
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Thanks Jon, I agree on those bad points there. 90% of the riders here would die if there were cameras in the corners.

But here in WV all there is is corners so maybe not :cool:
 
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