Gun Talk Thread

[dart1963]

Sounds like a trip to the range is coming up?
Remington 700 is a tried and true rifle, have fun and enjoy...

$14 for 20 rounds is awesome in .30-06, it's usually just over a buck a bullet, I want your walmart in my area

So what are you planning on hunting next season, just deer, or some other tasty meats?

 

[cbzdel]

I will definitely be going to the range once the weather clears up, I am not in the mood to go shooting in the rain lol.

I just ordered a DedNutz one piece scope mount for the rifle. I have had scope mounts come lose on me in the past and then its like a total reset, with these one piece you can pretty much set it and forget it plus I think they look alot better :thumbup:

next I just need to research a scope. I know the more you spend the better but I would rather not over do it lol, I plan on just testing out this generic one that came with it for now.

I have been researching 1911's and I think I am just gonna get a Taurus, affordable and dependable. Not the brand of choice for most shooters, but just to be able to say "Yeah I got a 1911" I think it will do haha!

 

[adidaskid810]

traded up today. sold my Walther P22 and purchased a new Glock M19, can't wait to get to the range tomorrow morning and let 'er rip!

 

[cbzdel]

I am getting an SR22 next, I just have to pay off a couple remaining bills, hopefully at the end of January

 

[dart1963]

I am getting an SR22 next, I just have to pay off a couple remaining bills, hopefully at the end of January

You know, I was intrigued with that when I saw it, but I went ar15 first. There are .22LR conversions out there ( ARR-059 - AR-15 .22 LR Conversion Kit Includes 10 Round Magazine ) that might be a better deal. Since the main reason, at least for me, would be CHEAP ammo, which means backyard plinker, why spend as much for just the .22.... other than, hey my .22 looks cooler than yours?
Just a question, not judging or dishing anyone who has (or will) get one of them.

 

[cbzdel]

You know, I was intrigued with that when I saw it, but I went ar15 first. There are .22LR conversions out there ( ARR-059 - AR-15 .22 LR Conversion Kit Includes 10 Round Magazine ) that might be a better deal. Since the main reason, at least for me, would be CHEAP ammo, which means backyard plinker, why spend as much for just the .22.... other than, hey my .22 looks cooler than yours?
Just a question, not judging or dishing anyone who has (or will) get one of them.

I have given it thought but figured it would cost way more to go that route. I would want a dedicated AR-"22" so I would not be swapping parts all the time.

This SR-22 is only $400 down the street from my place. That kit you posted cost $150+ so unless I could get all the parts to make it work for less than $250 its not a good deal to me (other than the cool factor lol).

If what you are saying can be done for less than say $450-$500 I may be interested, do you have any more info?

 

[dart1963]

nah, was just saying if you are going to get both a .22 and 5.56, why not save the $400 on the dedicated .22 option and go straight to the 5.56 with the conversion kit.
Yes, you would have to swap parts, which could get old after a while.

 

[dart1963]

oh and keep in mind, in case your not a gun owner and are reading these threads, my favorite Jefferson quote:
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."

I totally agree with this. I'm not a "gun nut", I don't hunt with my guns, they are for one thing: my protection and the protection of my wife and kids, though I hope to never have to shoot someone. We have bears and dogs (along with the occasional criminal) where I live, firing into the ground is a good way to scare them off, shooting them IS a last resort.

 

[JonKerr]

I'm wondering, is it really that common for people to carry a concealed weapon? I know my father-in-law does but he's retired SDPD. I just find it hard to believe that so many people carry. I mean there's what, 5 or 6 of you just on this message forum alone. I know most of you are in other states, but some are in California as far as I know it's not exactly easy to get a permit to carry concealed in California. Just blows me away (and scares me a little) that so many people out there are possibly armed. I used to be really big into hunting and target/trap shooting as a kid and I have no problem with people owning guns. But as stupid as the majority of the people out there seem to be, it just seems so dangerous to let some of those people have a concealed weapon. I mean some of the dumb ass things you see people do with their cars if someone cuts them off in traffic. Heat of the moment road rage, not thinking clearly, what would they do if they had a gun? And I understand if you live in a complete ghetto neighborhood and you have to worry about your personal safety just walking down the street. But what kind of training/background check etc... is required to make sure they're not giving carry permits to those people who you need to worry about in that neighborhood?

Again, I'm not one of those guys who's anti-firearm. Have all the guns you want for hunting, target shooting, home defense, etc... I just think there should be some serious law enforcement type training required if a civilian wants to carry.

 

[dart1963]

Every state's different. In VA, a certified training class is required, or military training (how I got mine). A full FBI background check as well as my prints on file with the local county police. Makes me think three times about any "temper" I might have used to have.

It is a right, but also a responsibility when you do make that choice. I believe in our small county about a quarter to a third of the pop. has CCP, doesn't mean they all carry, they just went through the process to get them.

As I said, I hope to never have the need to use it, in today's age, even if it's a blatantly necessary shooting, lawsuits can be filed and dragged out against the shooter for loss of life, loss of limb, etc. Some states have castle laws to protect shooters when defending their home, VA doesn't yet, it's been up for vote several times.

This topic is always a good debate, there are valid points on all sides. As you said, look at what people do with cars, yet we only have to take a driving test once. Something else to think about, when a driver gets caught, they get several chances (points before suspended driving, even then they can drive after so many years), when an illegal act with a gun is committed, they are banned for life from even owning one.

 

[99vengeur]

I can understand where you are coming from. However, "an armed civilization is a polite civilization." The bad guys don't know who might be carrying so think twice about thier intended victims. A report from Texas showed that only 0.234% of all crimes were committed by people with a CCW.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/ConvictionRatesReport2006.pdf

I wish I could find the same information for other states, but I imagine it is fairly similar.

I carry because I can't predict when I might fall victim to some thuglet looking for an easy score. If I could predict when I would be attacked, I would avoid going out that day. But as of yet, I have to supplement my precognition skills with my shooting skills.

Also, there is (for some states) pretty rigorous training involved in getting a CCW. There is classwork to learn the laws, and many states have a shooting requirement. In addition, FBI background checks are completed and fingerprints are put on file. With all that information already in the system, a CCW holder would have to go bat-crazy to commit a crime.

 

[JonKerr]

I'm not so worried about the premeditated crime that one would commit. I'm more worried about the asshat who just got fired or is upset about anything and is driving along with a 9mm on his hip and I accidentally cut him off and he snaps. I've seen people try and run someone else off the road with their car just because the other guy was going too slow for him. What would that same guy do if he had a gun on him? I guess what I'm saying is that road rage and/or crime of passion/temper is my biggest worry when it comes to arming the masses.

I am glad to hear that other states are as strict or close to being as strict as California to get a CCP. You just don't see or hear much about people here in California who aren't either military or law enforcement of some kind carrying. I think the number of people who carry in California must be much lower just because we're such a liberal state and it's just not viewed as acceptable by many. I can see both sides and if I lived in an area where I was genuinely worried about mine and my wife's safety, I would probably look into getting a permit.

 

[cbzdel]

think about this. there are far more individuals who carry illegally than who carry legally, those are the ones you need to watch out for!

Whats different from the packing gangster who just got beat up by his drug lord boss and it having a terrible day and you cut him off, vs the pissed off guy who was told by the FBI he is allowed to carry.

When I carry, I never think about my gun. its just there for a life or death suituation, not only for me but for others, keep that in mind as well. I carry not only for personal protection but also protection of others.

I am sure there is some ass hat with a CCW permit somewhere who screws up and makes everyone else look bad but thats life, you can only regulate it so much before its to the point the right is just taken away.

You can say the same thing about drinking, theres the same ass hat who just got fired, he went to the bar and go completely drunk then drove home and jsut happened to not notice that red light as he sped though the intersection t-boning another car.

 

[cbzdel]

I forgot to mention.. I went last night with the wife to look at the SR22 because she wanted to handle it.. Well she didn't like it, she thought the hand guard felt cheap and awkward (which I started to agree with her after she mentioned it)

She found this though...

She got really excited and just happened to remind me that I bought (2) guns in a row and it should be her turn

Whats fair is fair, its her turn.. I will get a 1 piece scope mount for it and probably throw on the generic 3-9x40 scope that came with my 30.06 and call it a day.

So I dunno whats next for me since I am starting to think the SR22 is out of the question.

Hmmm... 1911... AR15... blackpowder rifle... something sniper-ish for 1000+ yard shots (something I have been dreaming of)... custom tuned a 10/22 for ultimate tack driving...

hard to say...

 

[JonKerr]

think about this. there are far more individuals who carry illegally than who carry legally, those are the ones you need to watch out for!

Whats different from the packing gangster who just got beat up by his drug lord boss and it having a terrible day and you cut him off, vs the pissed off guy who was told by the FBI he is allowed to carry.

When I carry, I never think about my gun. its just there for a life or death suituation, not only for me but for others, keep that in mind as well. I carry not only for personal protection but also protection of others.

I am sure there is some ass hat with a CCW permit somewhere who screws up and makes everyone else look bad but thats life, you can only regulate it so much before its to the point the right is just taken away.

You can say the same thing about drinking, theres the same ass hat who just got fired, he went to the bar and go completely drunk then drove home and jsut happened to not notice that red light as he sped though the intersection t-boning another car.

You make some excellent points. Similar to the points I made in a debate class in high school about banning guns entirely. I was arguing against the ban and used some of those very points you brought up. I guess like I mentioned, being in California where it's so much less common I was just shocked by the number of people on such a small forum who carry when it's so rare out here.

 

[JSP]

Like stated above, I would be more worried about the gang bangers, druggies etc than the law abiding citizens that have gone through all the back ground checks, tests, etc. We carry to protect our families and ourselves. We know that we would lose that right, and possibly the chance to ever see them again if we did something stupid with our firearms. It is a last resort in a life and death situation. I feel safer knowing there are many others out there that carry legally.

This is a quote from Massad Ayoob. Please take the time (any of you) to read through his books and articles.

Don’t Let The Gun Make You Reckless
Circa 1970, armed citizen Richard Davis invented the Second Chance vest, concealable body armor that for the first time could be worn constantly on duty, under the uniform, by any police officer. Some alarmists speculated that “being made bulletproof” would cause cops to become reckless. Those fears turned out to be totally unfounded. As any officer who has worn armor can attest, the vest is a constant reminder of danger and, if anything, makes its wearer more cautious.

It is much the same with concealed firearms in the hands of responsible private citizens. People unfamiliar with the practice fear that “the trigger will pull the finger,” and armed citizens will go looking for a chance to exercise their deadly power. This, too, is a largely unfounded belief.

The collective experience of ordinary, law-abiding people who carry guns is that they don’t feel a sudden urge to go into Central Park at three o’clock in the morning and troll for muggers. They learn that being armed, they are held to what the law calls “a higher standard of care” and are expected to avoid situations like traffic arguments that could escalate and, with a deadly weapon present, turn into killing situations.

Like an officer’s body armor, the armed citizen’s gun is a reminder of danger, a symbol of the need for caution. The late, great big game hunter and gun writer Finn Aagard once wrote, “Yet my pistol is more than just security. Like an Orthodox Jewish yarmulke or a Christian cross, it is a symbol of who I am, what I believe, and the moral standards by which I live.”

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And this is a great book if you have children

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[99vengeur]

His books are a must read!

 

[PuRpl3_Dr4nK]

I am not a gun enthusiast one bit however there is one gun I am considering to get because I got a gift card for Big 5 for Christmas and it would cover pretty much all of the cost. It's a 19th century Soviet Union made military rifle, a Mosin-Nagant. These rifles were mass produced so you can get them rather cheap, ~$100ish price ranges. I don't think I'd ever fire it but I'd get it just as a collectors item.

 

[cbzdel]

I am not a gun enthusiast one bit however there is one gun I am considering to get because I got a gift card for Big 5 for Christmas and it would cover pretty much all of the cost. It's a 19th century Soviet Union made military rifle, a Mosin-Nagant. These rifles were mass produced so you can get them rather cheap, ~$100ish price ranges. I don't think I'd ever fire it but I'd get it just as a collectors item.

An M44 was the first gun i ever bought.. had it about 6 months, it was expensive as hell to shoot!!

then i started to modify it, i went to add a scope which i had to drill and tap into the receiver.. well the receiver rotated while in the vice and well i ruined the gun very fast!

 

[dart1963]

I am not a gun enthusiast one bit however there is one gun I am considering to get because I got a gift card for Big 5 for Christmas and it would cover pretty much all of the cost. It's a 19th century Soviet Union made military rifle, a Mosin-Nagant. These rifles were mass produced so you can get them rather cheap, ~$100ish price ranges. I don't think I'd ever fire it but I'd get it just as a collectors item.

Your right, they are everywhere... not sure what "collectors" value it will have because of that. I too was looking at something like that because they are cheap. If I were to get into collecting guns for their looks/value, I'd like to get one of the older lever action "wild west" guns. They look great and can actually be fired if so inclined. My grandpa had one, but when he passed it went to my dad or one of my uncles and I think they just sold it off. He had it as a collectors item and actually fired it just a couple of times to make sure everything worked well.

Collecting guns is a whole other world out there, some are collected because of value, some just for the looks. I've seen some really neat guns out there at the gun shows and some not so neat. The original "tommy" gun, with all it's popularity, is actually an ugly gun, IMHO, up close. It was popular 'cause it worked and had drum magazines for massive amounts of "spray".