Chucker
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It would be fun though...............if I was absolved of all liability.
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Show Off your chicken strippies
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JSP
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RoadTrip
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It's true that proper form allows one to take a given corner at a given speed, with less lean on the bike.
As cornering speed increases, so does lean angle. A truly aggressive rider, with good form, who takes tight corners really fast will have small or non-existent chicken strips.
A lack of chicken-strips does not mean that a rider has good form. It doesn't even mean that rider is fast or necessarily skilled. It does mean that rider is aggressive and rides hard, whether they do it with skill, or not.
At the beginning of the video for the book you mentioned, two new riders are checking out the strips on different bikes. True or not, they suggest rider skill.
Besides, it's just fun to compare and show them off!
There could be some truth in your idea of aggression vs strip size, if you get out there and blaze with a bit of DGAF for a little hit, then ya come back with small strips and yer like 'wtf, that's interesting'.... But, I did find a few slip-drifts on a session like that, if you get too aggressive, you might end up in a box, gotta keep smoothness at play as well on the streets, and emotions/self preservation in check. The grip limit may seem endless, but we all know it's not.
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Rookasaki
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Detrich
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LOL. Jay, i actually know the guy, Zach, in the first video u posted. He's a member of SCAR. And, it pains me to say that as advanced & skilled rider as he is- I've ridden with him on multiple occasions and yes, he is faster than fuck and rides like a bike cop.. LoL. About a year and a half ago he totaled that FJ u see in that video... Then he got an FZ1 right away and then totaled that at a track day a few months later.
For someone with that much skill, it just shows you that if you choose to ride recklessly or without good judgement- even the best of the best can eat shit on any given day- regardless the bike.
Brock Kickass
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C'mon Rook, there's still 1/16 inch of usable rubber there! Stop wasting time on your computer and get out there! 
Rookasaki
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C'mon Rook, there's still 1/16 inch of usable rubber there! Stop wasting time on your computer and get out there!
lol... You're right! I'm ashamed for that photo!
True 'nuff.
gilkeyb
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I recently did my first tire change on my 6R. I ended up going with the Raven 009, and went to a 170 rear. At the same time as the tire change I started getting a little more aggresive with body positioning, moving more towards the tank, as well as hanging off a little more and attempting to get towards the mirror.
On the factory tires, I had managed to get down to essentially no strip on the rear, but the front always had about 1/2" on either side that I couldn't get to (see first picture)
Since the change it seems the pehnomenon has reversed. I'm now left with about 1/2" of strip in the rear, and the front has gone all the way to the edge. I even had an instance where the front pushed hard through a turn, which i'm assuming is when I reached the edge of the tire.
So, my question for those more in the know than me: Is this change tire profile related, or body positioning related? Or a third answer of impossible to tell over the internet...i'm tending to think its related to the size larger rear, but im wondering if its because of my BP getting a little more weight towards the front of the bike?
So far the tires seem fine. I've put 800 miles on them in the last couple weeks and haven't noticed anything alarming yet. Except the downer of having rear tire I can't figure out how to get to!
On the factory tires, I had managed to get down to essentially no strip on the rear, but the front always had about 1/2" on either side that I couldn't get to (see first picture)
Since the change it seems the pehnomenon has reversed. I'm now left with about 1/2" of strip in the rear, and the front has gone all the way to the edge. I even had an instance where the front pushed hard through a turn, which i'm assuming is when I reached the edge of the tire.
So, my question for those more in the know than me: Is this change tire profile related, or body positioning related? Or a third answer of impossible to tell over the internet...i'm tending to think its related to the size larger rear, but im wondering if its because of my BP getting a little more weight towards the front of the bike?
So far the tires seem fine. I've put 800 miles on them in the last couple weeks and haven't noticed anything alarming yet. Except the downer of having rear tire I can't figure out how to get to!
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Chucker
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It's all about the profile of the tire. I'm scraping my toes with Rosso IIs and have to take the sidestand off at the track, yet I still have about 1/2". When I put the stock tire beside the Rosso IIs, I see the difference in the profile. At full lean, I have a lot more tire on the road with the Rosso IIs.
Detrich
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I think that I have improved a little bit recently... Yay 
Still have a long ways to go tho... Sigh.
Every little bit of improvement is exciting though.
Still have a long ways to go tho... Sigh.
Every little bit of improvement is exciting though.
Grumpy
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No corners to really carve where i live .
I've got to agree. I changed out my stock Bridgestones with over 10k miles on them, and strips showing. I've got just a few hundred on my Shinkos, with no real twisties, and the strips are nearly gone.
Whether it's tire compound or profile, I can't say yet. There's no doubt in my mind though, that different tires will show wear differently.
Sounds like a no-brainer, when you read it, LOL.
I think that I have improved a little bit recently... Yay
Still have a long ways to go tho... Sigh.
Every little bit of improvement is exciting though.
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You're working hard and no doubt improving, as am I, on that endless quest for the Perfect Form. No reason to feel sad about how long it's taking. Actually getting it right doesn't happen without miles and miles and miles. You're right, every little improvement is worth a celebration!
In some previous posts I talked about sailing around the corners, when I got it right. Man, what an awesome feeling it was! Then I got to the next level and recognized that what I thought was so awesome, really wasn't.
Here's the kicker: It was still awesome! No denying I sailed those corners! Sure I know more now, sure I look back and it sucked. At the time? Whoooo, wheeeeee, flying like a frickin' bird! I still look back on those runs with fondness.
That stuff didn't happen within months of owning a bike, though. Learning all the skills to actually ride well, and making it muscle memory takes years. That's just the basic skills. For instance, let's say I ride a bike and run round and round a track. Let's say I do it a lot. One day, a rabbit runs out on the track, on a corner I'm used to taking all layed over.
Do I trail brake? Do I front brake? Do I drop the throttle? Do I change my lean angle? What of the above is necessary to avoid that rabbit? What combination of riding skills, that I no longer have to think about will get me out that situation undamaged?
The trick is that at that point, if you're thinking about it, you're going down. Unless you're just lucky. It was a trick question. The trick was where I said "no longer have to think about." It will happen so fast that the brain cannot keep up with it. It has to happen at a level above where we think, where we just do, and we look at it afterwards and think "Wow!"
Don't let the strip rule you. I've said before, with different words, one can be all crossed up, basically riding like crap and have small strips.
The big "However" is that a good rider, who is aggressive in the turns and doing it right, will also have small strips.
The strips are merely an indicator of aggressiveness and are not proof of rider skill. I like to show mine off. With very few exceptions, the only person here who has photographic proof of proper form is JK. That's why I defer to him. There may be other riders with better form, but he's proved it in pictures. Many, many times.
He's also on the quest for the Perfect Form. He won't say it, it's a term I coined, but he is. He's also smart enough to recognize that he hasn't reached it yet, and humble enough to take seriously the critiques of the rest of us.
I'll talk about the "Perfect Form" all day long. I strive towards it, and I sometimes feel like I'm getting closer. Still, I'm intelligent enough to know that I'm a long ways off, even though my current, new tires are rubbed to the edge.
Be proud of your lack of strippies! I am. Don't let the lack of the strip fool you into thinking your doing it right, though. Read the books. Watch the videos. If you've got the cash, go to the schools. If like me, you've not other way to gauge your competence, then you must be self-critical.
Then you do as you've done: Post up what you think you're doing, and ask for input. Without photographs or video, we have to judge ourselves, and that's tough.
Above all is miles and miles and miles and miles and miles. I've over 8k miles just in the last six months. My commute is 13.5 miles. By far, the vast majority of those miles are going to twisties, running said twisties, and coming back home.
Experience is just that. Lots and lots of miles. I've been riding since 1985. My quest for the Perfect Form didn't start until I got my 6R. That's only several thousand miles ago. Did I mention that it's going to take lots of miles, to do it right?
Above all, listen when a more experienced rider, on the same quest, urges caution.
Just food for thought. Cheers!
Detrich
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Thanks Buzz. Yah. It's a slow process. Wish there was a photographer in my area. But, the only one is rnckeymouse up at Mullholland. And, we all know what his videos look like. x.X.
bmw675
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No corners to really carve where i live .
sure there is. do a track day next year at Autobahn Country Club in Joliet. You'll get rid of those strip in no time and be grinning ear-to-ear doing it.
Grumpy
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sure there is. do a track day next year at Autobahn Country Club in Joliet. You'll get rid of those strip in no time and be grinning ear-to-ear doing it.
Oh I know the place
. Was speaking in general Northeast Illinois geography.
I no longer have the funding to do track days otherwise I would for sure. Some day though
Detrich
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lol I've been riding 3 years and mine still look like that. >.<
