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MotoGP today (Spoiler Alert!!!!)
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So I've watched a few interviews and read a few articles with Marquez. The more and more comes out, the more I'm agreeing with a friend of mine who's been saying since Moto2 that Marquez is a complete punk. I'm no Lorenzo fan. But he had a very good point during the pre race press conference about Marquez. Time and time again he's constantly running into people and he keeps getting a slap on the wrist "because nothing serious happened" then when something did (the TC Sensor on Dani's bike resulting in the high side and the end of Dani's championship fight) they say "that was a one in a million chance of that happening" and even blamed Honda for not having it protected. (If he hadn't out braked himself yet again and hit his teammate, it wouldn't have happened.) they're even going so far as to say what he's doing is good for the sport because it's making it exciting. Tell that to the other guys out there risking their lives. Are they going to wait until he does get someone seriously hurt or worse to do more than one point on his record? And even then, the penalties are pitiful until you get to 10 ponts and suspended. Start at the back??? Really? For Marquez that's not much of a penalty because unfortunately he's by far the fastest guy out there on by far the fastest bike. And Marquez seems to not think anything about the penalties. He's not remorseful of his actions. He doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.
I was so glad to see Lorenzo giving it back to him. It's a shame. He truly is an incredible rider and yes, exciting. And probably going to go down and the next Rossi or even greater. If he lasts that is.
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I was so glad to see Lorenzo giving it back to him. It's a shame. He truly is an incredible rider and yes, exciting. And probably going to go down and the next Rossi or even greater. If he lasts that is.
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Bert-Aus
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Jon, your words are those of clarity in hyper-real environment of adrenaline and enthusiam.
After watching the Moto2 incident on the first lap last time over and over it really astounded me that those guys got out of that without any major injury (I am sure they are feeling extremely sore though)
After watching the Moto2 incident on the first lap last time over and over it really astounded me that those guys got out of that without any major injury (I am sure they are feeling extremely sore though)
come on give me a break man, so Marquez is a "complete punk" for making contact while racing, but now lorenzo does it and it's ok? dont forget that rossi is in the same club then as his passes havent always been w/o incident
simoncelli constantly rode over his limits, unfortunate what happened, but he's still a legend now.
why do ppl get their panties in a wad when there's some rubbing in motogp? watch some WSBK and stop being so sensitive when your racer doesnt win.
oh heck, dani had it coming for sooo long, 2006
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simoncelli constantly rode over his limits, unfortunate what happened, but he's still a legend now.
why do ppl get their panties in a wad when there's some rubbing in motogp? watch some WSBK and stop being so sensitive when your racer doesnt win.
oh heck, dani had it coming for sooo long, 2006
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Bert-Aus
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Yes the bumping is part of it,
but the acknowledgement that lives are at risk is a worthy reminder occasionally.
but the acknowledgement that lives are at risk is a worthy reminder occasionally.
Glad Dani won the other day at Sepang. That was a good race, and Jorge/Marquez duked it out for 2nd/3rd place for quite a few laps. I really liked seeing how far ahead Dani was by the last lap, he was smoking those boys it looked like to me.come on give me a break man, so Marquez is a "complete punk" for making contact while racing, but now lorenzo does it and it's ok? dont forget that rossi is in the same club then as his passes havent always been w/o incident
simoncelli constantly rode over his limits, unfortunate what happened, but he's still a legend now.
why do ppl get their panties in a wad when there's some rubbing in motogp? watch some WSBK and stop being so sensitive when your racer doesnt win.
oh heck, dani had it coming for sooo long, 2006
off the soapbox
Let me clarify a couple of things. When I said I was glad to see Jorge giving it back, I didn't mean the bumping. I actually said to the TV when I saw that bump "don't stoop to his level." All I meant was that I was glad to see that they're fighting. Both JL and Dani. I was so glad to see Dani just wax the field. Like I mentioned, I was a big Marquez fan. I did want to see him do well and I was excited to see that he was going to be able to ride a factory bike as a rookie. (even if it pissed me off that they recalled a rule put in place specifically to keep Spies off a factory bike... that's a whole other discussion) I rooted for Marquez in Moto2. But the more and more I watch, the less and less I like his tactics and his attitude toward the whole field. He has no respect for his fellow racers out there.come on give me a break man, so Marquez is a "complete punk" for making contact while racing, but now lorenzo does it and it's ok? dont forget that rossi is in the same club then as his passes havent always been w/o incident
simoncelli constantly rode over his limits, unfortunate what happened, but he's still a legend now.
why do ppl get their panties in a wad when there's some rubbing in motogp? watch some WSBK and stop being so sensitive when your racer doesnt win.
oh heck, dani had it coming for sooo long, 2006
off the soapbox
You mentioned Rossi and Simoncelli. Not a Rossi fan, and wasn't a Simoncelli fan either. Big difference between Rossi and Marquez. The number of times Rossi has run it in like that on people added up through his MotoGP career might equal the number of times Marques has done it in his rookie season. But even when he's done it, I don't like it. When he pulled the exact same move on Sete Gibernau back in 2005 or 2006, it was BS and he should have been DQ'd. The fact he wasn't was why I didn't think Marquez should have been either. My biggest pet peeve about officials is inconsistency. Punish the same act the same way, no matter who it is. But riding like that is not real racing IMO. That's knowing you're not fast enough on that day to beat him, so lets push him off so you don't have to. And the "it's the last lap" excuse doesn't cut it. It's no less dangerous doing it on the last lap than on the first. If you out brake yourself into a corner occasionally, fine, it happens to everyone. Hell it's happened to me on the track and on the street. But it's such a regular occurrence with him it's just dangerous. Bautista does it a lot too. Ask Rossi about that. He just hasn't been up at the sharp end of the field quite as far as Marquez and hasn't actually hit other riders as often, just run way wide in those corners.
As far as Simoncelli, yes it was a terrible accident. But lets not forget that up until that weekend, some of the riders were threatening to not race with him anymore. He was reckless, and dangerous. But incredibly fast and talented. He punted Dani off and broke his collar bone earlier that year, ending another championship fight of Dani's. He punted a lot of riders off the track, not just in MotoGP, but in the lower classes as well. Ironically, the accident that claimed his life wasn't one that where he was being reckless at all. He was simply trying to save a lowside, like they all do, many times a race, usually completely unnoticed, but in this instance it all went wrong. Yes he was dangerous, reckless, "exciting" and left us long before he hit his prime and before his time. I felt the same way about him that I do about Marquez. I'd hate to see Marquez cut down before he's able to mature into probably the greatest of all time. I do have a SuperSic58 sticker on my bike. Not because I was a fan of his. I already said I wasn't. I put it on there to remind myself that even the best riders in the world, on the best bikes, with the best protective equipment, are vulnerable when on a bike. How vulnerable does that make me?
You mentioned WSB. Just because another series has guys running into each other doesn't make it OK. (I don't get the only channel that's covering WSB this year so I haven't been able to see any of this season) This isn't NASCAR. (Even there I think it's BS the way those guys get away with the crap they do.) The whole "Rubbin's Racin' " crap is just that, crap. To me, racing is being fast, and being able to out maneuver your opponent, both on track, and with strategy, with Clean, Respectful passing. American race fans and their "Have at it boys" attitude does nothing but add unnecessary danger to an already extremely dangerous sport. This is not a contact sport. No matter how exciting it may make it to fans, it is not.
I'm the Biggest Lorenzo fan so I don't think my opinion count, but I agree with Jobkerr above... Almost every race Marquez goes through an incident... One time things can go wrong and get ugly... Though I have to admit the kid is fast, and extremely talented... And have the fastest bike too...
Agree with Jon. It's not a contact sport.
That said, Marquez is extremely aggressive & crosses the safety limits in almost every race. But, his riding still shows some strange degree of "finesse" when u compare him to say, Simoncelli, who was "brutally aggressive," and say Bautista, who's "recklessly aggressive."
With the latter 2, u know they're going to hit someone for sure. With Marquez, well, at least he still tries to avoid direct contact when he can.
I'm happy to see Rossi slowly making progress & "clawing" his way closer to the leaders. Being an older guy myself, I have to say that it's a great feeling seeing older athletes being able to compete with the younger ones. For that reason I really hope that Rossi can be more competitive next season and or eventually make a comeback and win a few more races. It helps remind & inspire me to remember not to let age be this big scary thing that is the end all be all.
That said, Marquez is extremely aggressive & crosses the safety limits in almost every race. But, his riding still shows some strange degree of "finesse" when u compare him to say, Simoncelli, who was "brutally aggressive," and say Bautista, who's "recklessly aggressive."
With the latter 2, u know they're going to hit someone for sure. With Marquez, well, at least he still tries to avoid direct contact when he can.
I'm happy to see Rossi slowly making progress & "clawing" his way closer to the leaders. Being an older guy myself, I have to say that it's a great feeling seeing older athletes being able to compete with the younger ones. For that reason I really hope that Rossi can be more competitive next season and or eventually make a comeback and win a few more races. It helps remind & inspire me to remember not to let age be this big scary thing that is the end all be all.
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I need a happy dance icon! Lol. Marquez made such a HUGE mistake today not making that pit stop in time. Then on top of it he tried to cut down onto the apex on cold tires to try and block Lorenzo when he did finally come out. (Yet again! So typical of him this year) So happy we have a fight for the title now. What a race! Crazy that they had to even make that stop. But it was the same for everybody. And he was the one who made the mistake. Nobody blame but himself. He knew to come in and didn't do it. And I'll be interested to see if he does get that 4th point on his license for the contact.
I need a happy dance icon! Lol. Marquez made such a HUGE mistake today not making that pit stop in time. Then on top of it he tried to cut down onto the apex on cold tires to try and block Lorenzo when he did finally come out. (Yet again! So typical of him this year) So happy we have a fight for the title now. What a race! Crazy that they had to even make that stop. But it was the same for everybody. And he was the one who made the mistake. Nobody blame but himself. He knew to come in and didn't do it. And I'll be interested to see if he does get that 4th point on his license for the contact.
FastFreddy
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Dont' get down on Marquez JonKerr, he's not a punk (most of the time), he's lit up the championship. Imagine the championship without him. He's come thru a lot to get there, he was nearly out with permanent double vision, he's already paid for his sins, so cut him some slack and enjoy the show.
what a cluster f...
well if you want MM to get more points, then according to lorenzo himself, should get the same too as his opinion "we were both at fault it was 50/50.
Dorna is a joke, mostly others disagree completely with the disqualification; in racing pit stops, usually the driver/rider is only penalized time/positions and not DQ.
once again Colin Edwards has it right - tweeted: "Not happy with the [Marc Marquez black flag] decision. First time running this scenario & disqualified. We r not mathematicians... let us race & F off."
well if you want MM to get more points, then according to lorenzo himself, should get the same too as his opinion "we were both at fault it was 50/50.
Dorna is a joke, mostly others disagree completely with the disqualification; in racing pit stops, usually the driver/rider is only penalized time/positions and not DQ.
once again Colin Edwards has it right - tweeted: "Not happy with the [Marc Marquez black flag] decision. First time running this scenario & disqualified. We r not mathematicians... let us race & F off."
29 laps cut down to 28... Mandatory pit stop for tire change. Then 28 down to 19 laps?
That race was over before my popcorn got to room temperature. But, what a race!
Definitely feel bad that Marquez and his team didn't understand the rules properly. He posted on his FB page that they all thought that the 11th lap would be ok and that they goofed.
Don't the 2 Repsol garages talk tho? Danny knew it was 9 and 10 and decided to do 9. Jorge did 10... Why and how did Marquez's team think 11? That said, 4 or 5 other riders all got black flagged for the same error.
Maybe it's their English skills that need work? Mandatory pitting after the 9th or 10th lap means change bikes -after- either the 9th lap or the 10th lap. It doesn't mean after lap 11 is ok too. LOL.
Jorge's bump when Marquez came out was great too. Merging traffic must yield to on road traffic right? Well on track in this case. But, the rule still would apply right?
It was an exciting 30 minutes to say the least. I feel bad for the ppl who bought tix for that race. They got gipped- sort of. =\
That race was over before my popcorn got to room temperature. But, what a race!
Definitely feel bad that Marquez and his team didn't understand the rules properly. He posted on his FB page that they all thought that the 11th lap would be ok and that they goofed.
Don't the 2 Repsol garages talk tho? Danny knew it was 9 and 10 and decided to do 9. Jorge did 10... Why and how did Marquez's team think 11? That said, 4 or 5 other riders all got black flagged for the same error.
Maybe it's their English skills that need work? Mandatory pitting after the 9th or 10th lap means change bikes -after- either the 9th lap or the 10th lap. It doesn't mean after lap 11 is ok too. LOL.
Jorge's bump when Marquez came out was great too. Merging traffic must yield to on road traffic right? Well on track in this case. But, the rule still would apply right?
It was an exciting 30 minutes to say the least. I feel bad for the ppl who bought tix for that race. They got gipped- sort of. =\
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What a race... For me it is clear that Marquez made a mistake... I think the fact Lorenzo was supposed to pit in on lap 9 and I actually did on Lap 10 may have contributed for it... Considering it is Marc 's rookie season I expected more mistakes, and about the racing itself, he made very few... But Dorna was right in blackflag him, and I think it only did it due to the Yamaha team complaint...
apparently lost in translation
From Motomatters: 3. No rider is permitted to make more than 10 laps on any one slick or wet rear tyre. This means that a bike/tyre change before lap 9 will require a second bike/tyre change to finish the race.
That, according to their calculations, meant that they could do 10 full laps, and then pit on lap 11, as the Repsol Honda pit was situated before the finish line, and Marquez would therefore have only done 10 complete laps, coming in on the 11th lap, but swapping bikes before the 11th lap commenced.
They were wrong. In their haste to exploit the rules to the utmost without actually breaking them, they had overlooked the line before that, which contained an explicit definition of what was expected. It reads:
2. Every rider will be required to enter the pits and change to his second machine with fresh tyres at least once during the race. In normal circumstances this means that the rider must change machine only at the end of lap 9 or lap 10.
Bert-Aus
Well-Known Member
That was a FARCKING SHAM!
Moto2 race shortened
MotoGP race shortened (twice)
All because Bridgestone cant gaurantee their tyres on a new surface in warm weather!
Sure, it was out the ordinary weather for Phillip Island but they race in hotter conditions than that elsewhere no issues!
And when it came to race time the temperature was cooler than Saturday's conditions when most guys were making 20 laps on sets of tyres!
As far as the pit thing goes, they should have kept the original race length and let them pit when they felt it was neccessary!
Four riders in total were black flagged in MotoGP -FARCKING DORNA
Those are track day distances!:soapbox:
Moto2 race shortened
MotoGP race shortened (twice)
All because Bridgestone cant gaurantee their tyres on a new surface in warm weather!
Sure, it was out the ordinary weather for Phillip Island but they race in hotter conditions than that elsewhere no issues!
And when it came to race time the temperature was cooler than Saturday's conditions when most guys were making 20 laps on sets of tyres!
As far as the pit thing goes, they should have kept the original race length and let them pit when they felt it was neccessary!
Four riders in total were black flagged in MotoGP -FARCKING DORNA
Those are track day distances!:soapbox:
I've been watching these guys in MotoGP for a while, and there's one thing I don't understand. I see the sense in moving your body and hanging off and dragging a knee and stuff. WHY in the heck do these guys take their whole legs off and then re-place them on the pegs and THEN knee-drag? Just seems like un-needed air resistance?
^ That's a trend that Rossi started, presumably a habit which he developed when riding Supermoto bikes around the track.
Honestly, there's no real need for it in MotoGP- other than to allow some blood to circulate back in that leg. lol.
Anyone's who's ridden a super sport in the canyons for more than an hour knows that tingling feeling u get on ur legs.
For bikes with more upright riding positions like the FZ6R, it's less of an issue. I also notice slightly less leg fatigue on the R1. But on the R6, leg fatigue is pretty brutal. But, the fun makes it all worth it.
Honestly, there's no real need for it in MotoGP- other than to allow some blood to circulate back in that leg. lol.
Anyone's who's ridden a super sport in the canyons for more than an hour knows that tingling feeling u get on ur legs.
For bikes with more upright riding positions like the FZ6R, it's less of an issue. I also notice slightly less leg fatigue on the R1. But on the R6, leg fatigue is pretty brutal. But, the fun makes it all worth it.