FastFreddy
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It's good to see Rossi fighting again.
MotoGP today (Spoiler Alert!!!!)
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FastFreddy
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Rossi had to make do with the squishy front tyre last year.
This MotoGP channel video gives a good look on setup :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHVFS8e3cRY
I'm thinking I need to go up 0.5mm on the fork
This MotoGP channel video gives a good look on setup :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHVFS8e3cRY
I'm thinking I need to go up 0.5mm on the fork
FastFreddy
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Yay, COTA and Schwantz have patched up.
Peace Breaks Out: Kevin Schwantz Named Ambassador To Circuit Of The Americas In Austin | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks
I remember seeing Kevin just about slamming the bike down every corner the first time he was on TV, its like he had lost it every corner and then he'd open up the taps, it'd grip up and he'd shoot around the corner, I think it was the air cooled superbikes for the US National titles at the time.
Then in the 500s, you could tell he was either going to win every race or spin out trying. He had a scary race face too
Peace Breaks Out: Kevin Schwantz Named Ambassador To Circuit Of The Americas In Austin | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks
I remember seeing Kevin just about slamming the bike down every corner the first time he was on TV, its like he had lost it every corner and then he'd open up the taps, it'd grip up and he'd shoot around the corner, I think it was the air cooled superbikes for the US National titles at the time.
Then in the 500s, you could tell he was either going to win every race or spin out trying. He had a scary race face too
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Colin Edwards Retires
sad to see him stop, but can't blame him tho
Soup :: Bombshell: Colin Edwards II Announces Retirement at End of Season :: 04-09-2014
place your bets - COTA is this weekend! :thumbup:
sad to see him stop, but can't blame him tho
Soup :: Bombshell: Colin Edwards II Announces Retirement at End of Season :: 04-09-2014
place your bets - COTA is this weekend! :thumbup:
Interesting race today. Amazing to see how dominant the Honda's are. Even if JL hadn't COMPLETELY jumped the start (I've never seen a jump start quite that bad) he was still over a second off the flat out pace. They found something. Something major. Marquez is an excellent rider (obvious by how he dominated his team mate on the same bike) but I don't think he's THAT much faster than everyone else. The bike is clearly the fastest machine out there. They're using less fuel in a race than before but they're faster out of the corners and top speed down the straight. All while trying to conserve their engines since they only get 5 for a whole season now. They've got something that's giving them better milage and more power than before. (Hybrid ERS like they're running in F1 now?) I know there have been rumors the last couple of years that they were testing a hybrid energy recovery system. Maybe they've got it figured out. As far as I know, there's no rules against using something like that...
Ducati is doing well, but maybe too well. They are running "Open factory" rules. Getting Dovi on the box today they only have two more 3rd places or one 2nd place and they'll have to switch back to the full factory rules down to 20L of fuel, harder tires, etc... Be interesting to see if they tell one of their riders to back off if they're sitting in a podium spot and that'll bump them out of the "Open" class.
VR had to have had a bad front tire or something. He was running really well for not being on a Honda. For him to just drop like a stone all of a sudden there had to be some kind of issue.
As usual, Moto2 and Moto3 put on the best show. Moto3 in particular. Jack Miller has some skills. That kid's going to be fast as he moves up through the classes. I was really disappointed to see Josh Herrin make the bone head move he did in turn 1. I know he's anxious to prove he belongs there. But he needs to calm down and just finish one lap, then he needs to finish a race before he tries passing 10 bikes on the start. Of course his teammate who's been there for a couple of years make an even bigger bone head move too.
I'm actually really looking forward to the rule changes coming in 2016 that will basically make everyone run the Open class rules. Spec ECU's and software are the only way to go IMO. Especially if they're looking to make MotoGP a more attractive, relatively cost effective racing option for the manufacturers. Look at what it's done for F1. The best team to build the best car with the best driver generally wins. Right now in MotoGP it's all about electronics. Getting rid of that factor it's going to force the teams to actually develop a faster, better handling bike. Not just a better computer program. I know they have to have things like traction control and wheelie control on these things. The amount of power they make, they'd be unridable without it. I just don't like the fact that he who writes the best code usually wins the race. This isn't a video game. Look at Moto2. Generally the best motorcycle road racing on the planet IMO. They have NO electronics whatsoever. (Except the basic fuel injection computer) Aprilia has started the process of coming back to MotoGP for 2016 knowing that they'll all be running the same software and they're not going to have to spend millions of dollars on software engineers. They can focus on building a capable bike, which we know they can do. Suzuki is in full development mode on their new bike. From what I've heard, they're not even worried that their lap times are over a second off the current front runners and they're not even expecting to be running in the front for 2015. (They will probably be running the same "open" rules Ducati is running this year - if they do carry them over like expected) They're focusing on 2016 when there will truly be a level playing field. So even before the rules are put in place, they've already attracted two new manufacturers to the field. I also heard Kawasaki is making noise that they may be putting a program together again. Why has it taken Dorna so long to realize they needed to make this change??? I know Honda's threatening to leave MotoGP if they do go to these rules, and Yamaha was threatening, but now they're all for it since they can't keep within a second of the Honda's. lol Honda taking their ball and going home if they do change the rules would be PR suicide IMO.
I've been in my racing happy place all day. Watched last nights Supercross first thing this morning, then all 3 MotoGP classes, World Superbikes, I'm watching World SuperStock right now. And the Long Beach GP is sitting there waiting for me too. :steve:
Ducati is doing well, but maybe too well. They are running "Open factory" rules. Getting Dovi on the box today they only have two more 3rd places or one 2nd place and they'll have to switch back to the full factory rules down to 20L of fuel, harder tires, etc... Be interesting to see if they tell one of their riders to back off if they're sitting in a podium spot and that'll bump them out of the "Open" class.
VR had to have had a bad front tire or something. He was running really well for not being on a Honda. For him to just drop like a stone all of a sudden there had to be some kind of issue.
As usual, Moto2 and Moto3 put on the best show. Moto3 in particular. Jack Miller has some skills. That kid's going to be fast as he moves up through the classes. I was really disappointed to see Josh Herrin make the bone head move he did in turn 1. I know he's anxious to prove he belongs there. But he needs to calm down and just finish one lap, then he needs to finish a race before he tries passing 10 bikes on the start. Of course his teammate who's been there for a couple of years make an even bigger bone head move too.
I'm actually really looking forward to the rule changes coming in 2016 that will basically make everyone run the Open class rules. Spec ECU's and software are the only way to go IMO. Especially if they're looking to make MotoGP a more attractive, relatively cost effective racing option for the manufacturers. Look at what it's done for F1. The best team to build the best car with the best driver generally wins. Right now in MotoGP it's all about electronics. Getting rid of that factor it's going to force the teams to actually develop a faster, better handling bike. Not just a better computer program. I know they have to have things like traction control and wheelie control on these things. The amount of power they make, they'd be unridable without it. I just don't like the fact that he who writes the best code usually wins the race. This isn't a video game. Look at Moto2. Generally the best motorcycle road racing on the planet IMO. They have NO electronics whatsoever. (Except the basic fuel injection computer) Aprilia has started the process of coming back to MotoGP for 2016 knowing that they'll all be running the same software and they're not going to have to spend millions of dollars on software engineers. They can focus on building a capable bike, which we know they can do. Suzuki is in full development mode on their new bike. From what I've heard, they're not even worried that their lap times are over a second off the current front runners and they're not even expecting to be running in the front for 2015. (They will probably be running the same "open" rules Ducati is running this year - if they do carry them over like expected) They're focusing on 2016 when there will truly be a level playing field. So even before the rules are put in place, they've already attracted two new manufacturers to the field. I also heard Kawasaki is making noise that they may be putting a program together again. Why has it taken Dorna so long to realize they needed to make this change??? I know Honda's threatening to leave MotoGP if they do go to these rules, and Yamaha was threatening, but now they're all for it since they can't keep within a second of the Honda's. lol Honda taking their ball and going home if they do change the rules would be PR suicide IMO.
I've been in my racing happy place all day. Watched last nights Supercross first thing this morning, then all 3 MotoGP classes, World Superbikes, I'm watching World SuperStock right now. And the Long Beach GP is sitting there waiting for me too.
:steve:
Bert-Aus
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I only just finished watching it now, true true JK -I agree
I will be interested to see if Bradl steps it up a notch this year too, IMO he has waited in the middle too much these last 2 seasons
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I will be interested to see if Bradl steps it up a notch this year too, IMO he has waited in the middle too much these last 2 seasons
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Unfortunately i have to agree...
Bert-Aus
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Jerez 117k attendee's watch Marquez serve it to Rossi, Pedrosa (came close but not enough) & Lorenzo (what has happened? Lift your game!)
Wow mid pack group getting spicy tonight too
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Wow mid pack group getting spicy tonight too
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I'm torn. I know that I'm seeing history in the making. In 20 years we will be saying we were watching MotoGP when Marc Marquez dominated the series. But at the same time, I'm so over it already lol. I still stand by what I was saying earlier about Marquez being so dominant mainly because of the combination of being a great rider on clearly the best bike. Rossi seems to have found something and I'm hoping the Yamaha will be able to compete.
I really can't wait until 2016 when everything gets shaken up.
I really can't wait until 2016 when everything gets shaken up.
Bert-Aus
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Until the other players bring something else to the table, I beleive Honda will be dominant with their Unobtainium set up.
Marquez has the riding skills and lack of fear approach to make the bike something extra but the other new wave of riders like Esparago bro's, Bradl and Smith will be challengers once (if) their machines can get up to Honda speed.
I am enjoying watching the mid pack guys at present more than the front 3-4 pack, as their is more spice in their race at present. In Australia the TV rights for Moto2 & 3 just got sold to paytv, which sucks because now I can't watch them as well.
Last season the Moto2 was where the race action was with the same honda engine for all.
This season's rules will hopefully bring something new to the table for the other teams.
Marquez has the riding skills and lack of fear approach to make the bike something extra but the other new wave of riders like Esparago bro's, Bradl and Smith will be challengers once (if) their machines can get up to Honda speed.
I am enjoying watching the mid pack guys at present more than the front 3-4 pack, as their is more spice in their race at present. In Australia the TV rights for Moto2 & 3 just got sold to paytv, which sucks because now I can't watch them as well.
Last season the Moto2 was where the race action was with the same honda engine for all.
This season's rules will hopefully bring something new to the table for the other teams.
So Marquez showed everyone his extreme arrogance today. Team calling him in to the pits multiple times to change bikes and he ignores them. I'm sure "I'm so much better than all these guys that I can make it to the end on slicks" was going through his mind the whole time. And I'm shocked Pedrosa ignored the pit board the first time they called him too. Awesome to see Crutchlow get on the podium ok that POS Ducati. Ironic that the two 14.2 Ducati's both ended up on the ground and he on the old spec bike is on the podium lol.
Bummer to see Rossi go out. Glad he's OK. Am I the only one who thinks they need to quit putting those damn astroturf patches on the edges of the track? If they want it to look like there's grass there, paint asphalt damnit! Wet astroturf was the only reason he went out. If that was a straight asphalt runoff, he would have been right back in the race. That was such a minor run wide.
Bummer to see Rossi go out. Glad he's OK. Am I the only one who thinks they need to quit putting those damn astroturf patches on the edges of the track? If they want it to look like there's grass there, paint asphalt damnit! Wet astroturf was the only reason he went out. If that was a straight asphalt runoff, he would have been right back in the race. That was such a minor run wide.
Interesting reading some of the early comments on Marquez...
I put it to all the old followers, and a new onsite for some new followers to the GP.
Marquez doesn't have sometime the other riders never had. Only something they've lost...
Marquez is hungry for the GP title. He only wants to win or crash trying. It's the same when Rossi was fresh on the scene. And will be the same in 2-3 years time when there's another on the scene.
Marquezs hunger for the GP is what's driving him. His attitude in the last 2 races show it...
I only hope he messes up a few more times and the likes of Rossi or pedrosa snatch victory from his grasp... Then next year we'll see some racing.
I put it to all the old followers, and a new onsite for some new followers to the GP.
Marquez doesn't have sometime the other riders never had. Only something they've lost...
Marquez is hungry for the GP title. He only wants to win or crash trying. It's the same when Rossi was fresh on the scene. And will be the same in 2-3 years time when there's another on the scene.
Marquezs hunger for the GP is what's driving him. His attitude in the last 2 races show it...
I only hope he messes up a few more times and the likes of Rossi or pedrosa snatch victory from his grasp... Then next year we'll see some racing.
I wouldn't call it arrogance, doubt he was saying that in his mind, he simply made the wrong call and gambled the rain would hold off. Like you said Pedrosa did the same mistake.
Crutchlow getting on the podium was pure luck. All he's done this year is complain and rides like a punk when things don't go his way, while his teammates continue to do the best they can getting much better results - Dovi 5th in the Championship on the POS Ducati.
FastFreddy
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In 2006 Honda produced many frames of various stiffnesses.
At one point poor Dani was wobbling down the straights on one of the too wobbly frames and testing up to 5 different frames in one weekend.
We've seen the pictures of the Honda when Marquez crashed and ripped off the fairing at Mugelo. This revealed the engine location and 90 degree angle in detail.
Honda have already mentioned that they put the cog at a 45 degree angle from the front wheel so that when braking above 1 G, the rear wheel starts to lift.
The setup is achievable for any factory or team that wants to replicate this work.
At one point poor Dani was wobbling down the straights on one of the too wobbly frames and testing up to 5 different frames in one weekend.
We've seen the pictures of the Honda when Marquez crashed and ripped off the fairing at Mugelo. This revealed the engine location and 90 degree angle in detail.
Honda have already mentioned that they put the cog at a 45 degree angle from the front wheel so that when braking above 1 G, the rear wheel starts to lift.
The setup is achievable for any factory or team that wants to replicate this work.
FastFreddy
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They can sook about Honda, but all the detail is there.
http://www.moto.it//static/upl/sol/solomoto-honda-v90.pdf
Maybe they can make special rules like increase the weight and reduce the fuel limit and use squishy tyres after the new bike is built. Oh, that's why Stoner left, I remember now.
http://www.moto.it//static/upl/sol/solomoto-honda-v90.pdf
Maybe they can make special rules like increase the weight and reduce the fuel limit and use squishy tyres after the new bike is built. Oh, that's why Stoner left, I remember now.
Hope the rain would hold off??? There was spray coming off the slicks for 2 laps before he crashed. Don't think it was going to hold off at that point.
Track was soaked and the team had the pit board out for multiple laps calling him in to change bikes. I think Pedrosa only didn't come in because he saw Marquez not come in. I was shocked to see that. I always thought Pedrosa was smarter than that. And Crutchlow has had reason to complain about the Duc. It just doesn't work the way 99.9% of riders out there need a bike to work and Ducati and their need to be different for the sake of being different will always hinder them. (When I raced RC Cars more than I do now and was a Schumacher factory driver, they had the same issue. They did things differently just because they didn't want to be like other manufacturers and most of the time that hindered them a lot) Crutchlow's never had the same bike as Dovi. He's always had the last iteration of it. Iannone has had more factory support all year than Crutchlow has had. Last year he flat out said going to Ducati was either going to be the best or worst move of his career. Obviously it was the worst. Just like Rossi. Moving to the satellite Honda is the smartest thing he could do. Possibly put him in the pipeline for a factory ride when Pedrosa retires. Or when the new rules are finally implemented and the factory bikes won't have quite the advantage they have now, he may even be able to compete for regular podiums on the LCR.
And Dovi's 5th in the championship, on a bike with 4 more liters of fuel than the other factory bikes and softer tires. And he's always got a different bike than Cal does. And he can barely crack the top 5 when he's lucky. Sounds like it's kind of a POS to me. :/
I like Cal. He's honest and tells it like it is. He was temped by the word "Factory" from Ducati. I think he realized that Ducati was a major mistake really quickly and from before the season even started, I think Ducati and Cal both realized he wasn't going to spend more than the one year there. So he never got the true full "Factory" support.
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