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Unfortunately I'm left eye dominant on top of it lol. I've learned to use my right eye. But I've actually been reading that shooting handguns using cross-eye dominance, (shooting right handed but using the left eye) isn't that big of a deal actually, particularly using the isosceles stance. Rifle shooting, yes. But handguns it doesn't really change much. At least from what I've read and what I've found in my practicing both.

I did try shooting the G17 left handed at the range last weekend. Almost every shot was limp wristed lol. Shooting a gas propelled airsoft gun with a little less recoil even than a .22 is one thing. But 9mm, not so much lol Confirmed that I'm a right handed shooter for sure. I'm sure I could learn to do it pretty easily, and like mentioned above, I probably should practice it and get to a point where I can do it consistently.
 
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Any of you guys ever shoot steel case ammo? I've never shot it at all. My wife came home from WalMart the other night with a present for me. 3 boxes of 9mm ammo. (yes, I'm a lucky man :p ) It's 115gr. TulAmmo steel case. She saw a good price but didn't know there was a difference. Their website claims there's never any issues with case extraction. But I wanted to see if any of you guys have experience with it.
 
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ej'sfz

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Ive never shot.it and have only heard not so great things about it. Not as pliable as brass and has issues with ejection I guess. Might be worth throwin a few rounds down the barrel and see how it does.
 
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Ive never shot.it and have only heard not so great things about it. Not as pliable as brass and has issues with ejection I guess. Might be worth throwin a few rounds down the barrel and see how it does.
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I've shot some steel casings through various guns and some can handle it and some can't. My Glock .45 handles everything, but a former Taurus .45 couldn't. Worth a try. Do t think I've ever had issues with my Glock feeding.

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Well I went to the range yesterday with that steel cased TulAmmo. 150 rounds through it. No issues at all with feeding. But DIRTY! I had just detail cleaned the gun because I installed a new drop in trigger system. It looked like I'd shot 1000 rounds through it after only 150. Think I'll stick with my Federal American Eagle 9mm for range ammo.

So the trigger I picked up is the Pyramid Trigger from Glockstore. (Love having them local ;) ) Pretty much just like the Fulcrum Trigger. Love it so far. I wasn't really trying to get a super light trigger pull. I don't mind the 5.0 to 5.5lb pull. I just really didn't like the super long pre travel in the factory trigger. And I didn't like how the face of the trigger is rounded instead of flat.

The Pyramid Trigger System - Overview - YouTube
 
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Anyone do their own reloading? We used to reload 12g all the time when we were doing trap 20 years ago. But I've never done handgun reloading. I'm shooting enough now that I'm really considering getting a setup for 9mm. I found Freedom Munitions reman ammo online and they're a hell of a good deal and after 100 rounds so far I've had no issues. But I'm thinking reloading could be even cheaper and pay for the equipment pretty quickly. Any suggestions on presses, dies, etc...
 
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Let s get this going again.

I got a new one in trade from some stuff I don't need right now.

 
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Anyone do their own reloading? We used to reload 12g all the time when we were doing trap 20 years ago. But I've never done handgun reloading. I'm shooting enough now that I'm really considering getting a setup for 9mm. I found Freedom Munitions reman ammo online and they're a hell of a good deal and after 100 rounds so far I've had no issues. But I'm thinking reloading could be even cheaper and pay for the equipment pretty quickly. Any suggestions on presses, dies, etc...
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I reloaded rifle rounds for years,but it wasn't cost effective to reload pistol rounds. With a semi you go though rounds so fast and the casings get stressed quicker. I would reload six gun rounds, but not semi rounds. I know some that do, just not worth it unless I was shooting competition and wanted special loads.
 
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I actually went to a local shop who specializes in supplying reloaders. He basically said the same thing. I told him that lately I've been buying 9mm from Freedom Munitions 1000 rounds at a time when they have free shipping deals going on for about $.19 a round. (No CA sales tax, and free shipping is awesome!) He said "if you're just going to do 9mm for now, just stick with that. It'll take you 35000 rounds or more to pay for a decent press and set of dies and break even before you start to save any money. Maybe a penny per round at the most."

On another note, I CAN WAIT for tomorrow. Crossroads Of The West Gun Show is tomorrow at Del Mar. Hopefully they'll actually have some .22 again like last time for a "decent" price. If anyone has 9mm for the same price I can get from Freedom I'll pick that up. There's a handful of other things I want to check out and pick up. I really want to get my hands on and get a bit of a feel for some of the smaller cary pistols out there. I'm still going to try and get a California CCW. Plus I just love walking around the show and checking out all the cool stuff.

One of the things I want to pick up there for my wife is a decent pepper spray. Might get myself one too since getting a CCW in San Diego County is still proving to pretty much take an act of congress even though their practices have been ruled unconstitutional. :jerk:
 
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I reloaded rifle rounds for years,but it wasn't cost effective to reload pistol rounds. With a semi you go though rounds so fast and the casings get stressed quicker. I would reload six gun rounds, but not semi rounds. I know some that do, just not worth it unless I was shooting competition and wanted special loads.
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I actually went to a local shop who specializes in supplying reloaders. He basically said the same thing. I told him that lately I've been buying 9mm from Freedom Munitions 1000 rounds at a time when they have free shipping deals going on for about $.19 a round. (No CA sales tax, and free shipping is awesome!) He said "if you're just going to do 9mm for now, just stick with that. It'll take you 35000 rounds or more to pay for a decent press and set of dies and break even before you start to save any money. Maybe a penny per round at the most."

On another note, I CAN WAIT for tomorrow. Crossroads Of The West Gun Show is tomorrow at Del Mar. Hopefully they'll actually have some .22 again like last time for a "decent" price. If anyone has 9mm for the same price I can get from Freedom I'll pick that up. There's a handful of other things I want to check out and pick up. I really want to get my hands on and get a bit of a feel for some of the smaller cary pistols out there. I'm still going to try and get a California CCW. Plus I just love walking around the show and checking out all the cool stuff.

One of the things I want to pick up there for my wife is a decent pepper spray. Might get myself one too since getting a CCW in San Diego County is still proving to pretty much take an act of congress even though their practices have been ruled unconstitutional. :jerk:
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the only time reloading is really worth is if you are reloading for rifle rounds. I have a friend that has a reloading setup and I have used his setup for my pistol rounds as well but it's still only marginally better than buying rounds.

I do save a lot though on rifle rounds when I reload though, also shotgun shells are good for reloading as well. I can normally cut the costs in half and get some nice custom loads for hunting.
 
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What a beautiful sight ;) Got 1000 rounds 9mm for $155 at the show this morning. And a brick of .22 for $45. Kind of sad that those prices seem so cheap now, but hey...

 

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pavmentsurfer

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Here in canada things are very hit or miss. At one point 9mm was dirt cheap, then there was some stupid cheap 45... then some .223 went cheap. Now nothing is really "cheap" but some things are just plain expensive.

I reload 357 magnum for this reason alone. In the case of this caliber it IS cheaper to reload but for 9mm or 45, I tried it and by the time I bought all the stuff and factored in how much time it took to re-load 1000 rounds... it would have been better to just buy it.

Ive got a Ruger SR9... which I would carry if it were legal here. A jericho 941 in 45 and an S&W TR-R8 357 magnum.
For rifles I have a Savage 10PC, Savage 64TR-SR, Savage MKII TR-SR, Benelli Supernova Tactical, Daniel Defence M4V5 with a 10.5 inch barrel and an Adams Arms piston kit, A norinco T97 and a Norinco outlaw 12 inch double barrel SXS in 12 gauge.
 
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Reloading is really only cheaper if you fire a lot of rounds, especially of expensive calibers (I have a .300 WBY MAG). Though, if you want to calculate over decades, it's going to break even at some point and then it's all gravy from there.

Though one could also count intrinsic values to a good set up. I find it oddly therapeutic sitting with my coffee while cranking out a few hundred rounds. I never really felt the pinch of the ammo shortage (excepting waiting a week for powder once). I used my fathers press with my dies, so it was cheaper for me in the long run. However, that in itself point to another intrinsic value as you have children; your investment extends to your children to help keep them in powder.

So, I think it depends on how you quantify or qualify the value of a reloading set-up. Using something like Dillon Precision presses, I'd have to load a good 600 rounds before I broke even in my Weatherby rifle.
 
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So a week ago my Dad asked me to take his old Marlin .22 bolt action rifle to the range and shoot it for the first time in 20+ years. This was the first 7 rounds from 25 yards without touching the scope.



It's got a really old and cheap Bushnell scope on it. It was at the limit of the adjustment and needs to be remounted and re-sighted in. But not too bad of a group after 20 years sitting in the gun safe. (Yes I did clean it and oil up things a little before shooting ;) )

After that I remembered how much fun I used to have shooting a rifle. So between that and spending 4 hours walking around the gun show on Saturday, probably 60% of which concentrated on AR's, and handling some nice entry level type AR's as well as some of the most expensive, major tricked out AR's, I REALLY want to get an AR now. I found one of the vendors there who's about 20 minutes from my house. They have an entry level AR15, fully upgradable, mil-spec, 5.56, for $750. He showed an example of one that was owned by one of their customers. The customer bought that exact base model, and over the course of 2 years, slowly made the upgrades he wanted. Only things he really changed was a quad rail instead of the original M4 style foregrip, Magpul stock, and a scope. He did have them do a trigger job on it as well since he was using it for 3 gun competition. It was hard to tell any difference between that one and the $1800 model sitting next to it. So as something to build on, it really seems like a good deal for something to start with. I don't need a $2000 high end AR just for going out to the rifle range.

What do you guys with AR's think? Good idea?
 

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I bought my AR a while back, never touched it (paid just over $1k, M&P 15T)... I don't like scopes on AR, they do very well with open sights, fast acquisition, no worrying about it getting knocked around... If I want an accurate long range rifle, I'll stick with a bolt action in a higher cal than 5.56...

that's just me though, not much into "modding", but I've seen a lot of mods on the ar platform and you can do almost anything with them. If that's your goal, go for it!
 
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I bought my AR a while back, never touched it (paid just over $1k, M&P 15T)... I don't like scopes on AR, they do very well with open sights, fast acquisition, no worrying about it getting knocked around... If I want an accurate long range rifle, I'll stick with a bolt action in a higher cal than 5.56...

that's just me though, not much into "modding", but I've seen a lot of mods on the ar platform and you can do almost anything with them. If that's your goal, go for it!
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Do you have any ranges down there that you can shoot it at?
 
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when it comes to ARs you can pretty much do whatever you want, they are great rifles or pistols, depending on how you build them.

IMO I like to build my own ARs, it makes me appreciate them more. They are crazy easy to build and all you really have to do is just buy a part here another one there and eventually you will have all the parts you need to have a completed rifle. Then you have a working rifle with only the parts you wanted and nothing wasted on eventual upgrades. unless you change your mind about a part you bought in the process of your build.

I say every rifle should have a scope of some kind or another. There are so many easy options out there that a scope of some kind is almost too cheap to put on the rifle. It doesn't have to be anything but a fixed power scope that say is a 4x magnification. That's what I tend to prefer to have on my ARs is something in that range.

I also use diamond head sites, they are awesome sites to have on any picatinny rail setup. I would certainly get a set of their all metal iron sites before a scope for your AR and set it up so that you can co witness through whatever scope you end up putting on the rifle.

But if you like to shoot distance. get a bolt action, they are cheap, they work and they will be more accurate at distance than the AR platform. Hell you can easily get a remington 770 for 250-300 bucks in just about any caliber. great affordable rifles right there.

I personally like to shoot distance and when I do I like to shoot 400+. Though I think everyone should have an AR platform of some kind or another.

A great brand of american made ARs is CORE Rifle Systems, they have everything from basic on up. Depending on what you want to get. You can get into them for right around 500 bucks and they will ship right to your local FFL (gun shop). Done and done....
 

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