thankyou haha
Could this have been avoided?
no :rockon:
nope and she was helpful too all up in his shit haha!!!
well it all depends on what you do in those few seconds!!!
but hey anyone can say they could avoid that.... hindsight is 20/20 its easy to watch a video and know what to do in those few seconds
I'm big on *always* having a contingency plan (knowing if there's a lane open, watching for texters, make-up mongers, passionate cell-rats, and just the certifiably blind) -- which has served me well in avoiding situations like this:
Todays learning experience.wmv - YouTube
However, I watched this frame by frame, and without the reaction time of the Flash, I don't really believe there was any telegraphing of the situation, or time to avoid it...
It was definitely (IMHO) the Kobayashi Maru scenario...
Todays learning experience.wmv - YouTube
However, I watched this frame by frame, and without the reaction time of the Flash, I don't really believe there was any telegraphing of the situation, or time to avoid it...
It was definitely (IMHO) the Kobayashi Maru scenario...
This video is of Dawn Champion, i found an article about her, bravest women I have seen riding!
Reluctant road warrior | champion, says, one - News - The Orange County Register
She's truely an inspiration to me, what is hard for me though is this is how we crashed minus the car doing a 180 ours was a guy pulling across traffic from a median, and couldnt make it across. She did everything she could, and that's that.
Oh and the idiot in the civic pulled his emergency brake, thats why he spun out, obviously grabbing for his phone, which i hope the insurance company slammed him! makes me sick seeing his reaction getting out of his car WITH his f*ing phone in his hand (again like our accident) and immediately BLAMES her, typical....ugh I cant even watch this video again without wanting to beat his face into the ground!!!
Reluctant road warrior | champion, says, one - News - The Orange County Register
She's truely an inspiration to me, what is hard for me though is this is how we crashed minus the car doing a 180 ours was a guy pulling across traffic from a median, and couldnt make it across. She did everything she could, and that's that.
Oh and the idiot in the civic pulled his emergency brake, thats why he spun out, obviously grabbing for his phone, which i hope the insurance company slammed him! makes me sick seeing his reaction getting out of his car WITH his f*ing phone in his hand (again like our accident) and immediately BLAMES her, typical....ugh I cant even watch this video again without wanting to beat his face into the ground!!!
easy killer!!!:rant:*pat* haha
Excellent job of sourcing out the back story. I love it.
This is why I run a video cam each and every time I ride. If I forget the cam, I go back and get it. I'd rather ride with bare feet. I have been known to turn on the cam and forget to put it on record or leave the lens cap on but that is rare. Having a video cam on when you ride eliminates the squid effect. Unless you are making a video to show some aspect of how stupid you can ride (I'm guilty), you tend to drive at the speed limit and follow all the safety tips taught by the MSF school. In the unlikely chance that you get creamed like she did, it will cut through all the BS and give an accurate description of the crash. Either the Civic had independent front/rear brakes or he pulled the emergency brake like he was going to drift. It was his fault 100% and his insurance company will cover her unless they want to be on the losing end of a jury with an injured girl as the victim. Can you say huge pain and suffering award? And the dude in the Civic immediately tried to make it her fault like he had to swerve and she hit him. The video makes him a liar and worthless in front of a jury.
I have 2 Contour 1080 cams that I used for front and rear views for racing that get lots of use for everyday riding. I just delete the boring rides and recharge at work if needed. For longer rides, I have 4 batteries total and 2 16GB cards. All helmets should come equipped with an integral video cam installed IMHO.
This is why I run a video cam each and every time I ride. If I forget the cam, I go back and get it. I'd rather ride with bare feet. I have been known to turn on the cam and forget to put it on record or leave the lens cap on but that is rare. Having a video cam on when you ride eliminates the squid effect. Unless you are making a video to show some aspect of how stupid you can ride (I'm guilty), you tend to drive at the speed limit and follow all the safety tips taught by the MSF school. In the unlikely chance that you get creamed like she did, it will cut through all the BS and give an accurate description of the crash. Either the Civic had independent front/rear brakes or he pulled the emergency brake like he was going to drift. It was his fault 100% and his insurance company will cover her unless they want to be on the losing end of a jury with an injured girl as the victim. Can you say huge pain and suffering award? And the dude in the Civic immediately tried to make it her fault like he had to swerve and she hit him. The video makes him a liar and worthless in front of a jury.
I have 2 Contour 1080 cams that I used for front and rear views for racing that get lots of use for everyday riding. I just delete the boring rides and recharge at work if needed. For longer rides, I have 4 batteries total and 2 16GB cards. All helmets should come equipped with an integral video cam installed IMHO.
Took the words right out of my fingers!Now don't get mad CC....
I hate to say it CC but I have to call BS.....
There is no way you would have seen it coming in real time. Armchair QB and replay the scene 20 times to make up your reasoning does not work in real time. The biker was in a shitty position in relation to the cars and we all are in that position for short periods..the difference is that we don't sit there and stay in those places where we have no exit strategy. You and I would have already changed our position in traffic before that car went sideways.
Lets look at your reaction...the downshift after noticing anything would have locked up the rear wheel and you would have been rear ended before you could have low sided behind the silver car. You ain't knee dragging on a straight freeway at freeway speeds....not unless you low side....
The way you talk about driving..Downshifting, slapping the brakes, trying to make emergency turns and downshifting and WOT when there is a possibility of something going wrong? That sounds like some of the most dangerous driving I've ever heard of. And I thought I was a maniac.....
Naw....think about it..if you really drive like that and react to every possible danger as you describe, you should not be on a motorcycle. You DO NOT have the reflex of a cheetah or the strength of a gorilla and driving like the way you describe leaves a ton of room for a mistakes on your part. Remember that one small mistake usually is the beginning of a chain of mistakes that causes an accident. You end up over reacting to a small mistake and boom....you are dragging knee and the side of your bike on the pavement.
As a great example....watch those Police rodeos where they maneuver between the cones. There is even one with a CBR but they do this at 2 to 25 mph. How fast was she going? Get the point?
Bout the only thing I saw might have worked was if she popped a wheelie. It looked like there was enough room for a tire to make it. (kidding)
wby0001
New Member
that article really talks up her riding ability. sounds like she knew how to ride pretty well at the time of the collision.
CC how long did you study this vid. haha j/k
great observations
She may have been a great racer or rider but her positioning in relation to the cars was less than desired.
She was in a position that afforded zero exit point and she stayed there. As stated earlier, we all get into these bad places but not for long as we make adjustments to change it so we have an emergency exit. She stayed in a bad place and had no place to go when the unexpected happened.
She was complacent and "trusted" the cagers to not make a stupid move or a tire to blow out.
Of course she didn't expect the stupid bong sucker to pull the emergency brake either......
I'm not sure I see what this "bad situation" is that everyone is talking about. The rider was passing vehicles in traffic. Where is the bad situation that this person put themselves into? Is someone saying that as motorcyclists, we shouldn't pass slower traffic?
All I saw was a bike in traffic, an idiot on the left, and an accident. Where's the "out" I keep reading about? I didn't see one.
Seems to me the rider was doing just fine, and then stuff happened. It was an accident.
Avoidable? How? Superhuman skill and reflexes perhaps. Seemed to me it was as near instantaneous as any accident is.
I can appreciate all the "would have beens" and "could have beens" that I've seen posted on this thread. To everyone who is saying they could have avoided that? I say sit back and watch it again, and put yourself into that rider's boots. I honestly cannot see anything I would have done different, except maybe lock the back brake, and that to no avail.
To the OP? I'm sorry, man. I just don't see anything the rider did wrong. Sometimes bad stuff happens. I've been riding since the mid '80's. I'd have gone down in that situation, too. I'd have gone down differently, but I'd have gone down.
I don't gear up because I'm stupid (mostly). I gear up because other drivers are stupid.
All I saw was a bike in traffic, an idiot on the left, and an accident. Where's the "out" I keep reading about? I didn't see one.
Seems to me the rider was doing just fine, and then stuff happened. It was an accident.
Avoidable? How? Superhuman skill and reflexes perhaps. Seemed to me it was as near instantaneous as any accident is.
I can appreciate all the "would have beens" and "could have beens" that I've seen posted on this thread. To everyone who is saying they could have avoided that? I say sit back and watch it again, and put yourself into that rider's boots. I honestly cannot see anything I would have done different, except maybe lock the back brake, and that to no avail.
To the OP? I'm sorry, man. I just don't see anything the rider did wrong. Sometimes bad stuff happens. I've been riding since the mid '80's. I'd have gone down in that situation, too. I'd have gone down differently, but I'd have gone down.
I don't gear up because I'm stupid (mostly). I gear up because other drivers are stupid.
Thank you. That's what I was afraid of.
In a scenario like that, would it be best to lowside if possible?
This is absolutely incredible... I know Dawn. We took a programming class together in college and worked on a project right here at my house. I'm going to send her a message. SUCH a small world! Glad to hear she's ok. Thank you SO much for finding this article!
wow small world in deed!!!! please tell her she is amazing for being so brave and that i hope they fined the hell out og the guy that hit her
MustGoFaster
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I have to agree with the folks who had said the *only* way out was left. I also agree with the folks who said it would have had to have been using superhuman reflexes. For the most part.
Our bodies do incredible things when adrenaline is released and life is on the line. However, making that swerve would have been just as much luck as response speed. Either way, the chances would have been micro thin. Possible, just not very likely.
Just glad she's ok and can keep on riding.
Our bodies do incredible things when adrenaline is released and life is on the line. However, making that swerve would have been just as much luck as response speed. Either way, the chances would have been micro thin. Possible, just not very likely.
Just glad she's ok and can keep on riding.
I think I've not recovered from my accident yet. Had horrible flashbacks after watching this, for 1st time. It was so similar to mine, damm!
Regarding if this was or not avoidable, and based on the video only without knowing his skills, I think was not.
While I always try to see escape routes if someone pull out in front of me, you can't see if a car is coming on left side. Right does not look doable to me.
Also, we can check video and replay thousand of times, but under heavy stress and on the situation itself, people usually brake, let's be honest. I actually did on mine. However, I knew on mine that changing lane would have killed me (omcoming traffic, direct impact from a car coming to me or even same car, right leg) because was a 4 lane street. I had cars on my right, so I embrace for impact and believe it or not, pray and remembered my wife and pets.
I think is unavoidable. Hope this person is ok.
EDIT
Just read the article about her. It looks she has experience riding. Yeah, I think what she did was the safest thing, instead of going left and avoid. That was going to be a hard move with the possibility of being hit by a car and on that case, was going to be her fault.
Now, it came to my mind the ABS feature that some bikes now have. I wonder if that would help here.
I'm happy that she's ok!
Regarding if this was or not avoidable, and based on the video only without knowing his skills, I think was not.
While I always try to see escape routes if someone pull out in front of me, you can't see if a car is coming on left side. Right does not look doable to me.
Also, we can check video and replay thousand of times, but under heavy stress and on the situation itself, people usually brake, let's be honest. I actually did on mine. However, I knew on mine that changing lane would have killed me (omcoming traffic, direct impact from a car coming to me or even same car, right leg) because was a 4 lane street. I had cars on my right, so I embrace for impact and believe it or not, pray and remembered my wife and pets.
I think is unavoidable. Hope this person is ok.
EDIT
Just read the article about her. It looks she has experience riding. Yeah, I think what she did was the safest thing, instead of going left and avoid. That was going to be a hard move with the possibility of being hit by a car and on that case, was going to be her fault.
Now, it came to my mind the ABS feature that some bikes now have. I wonder if that would help here.
I'm happy that she's ok!
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