WTF??? Seriously???
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Agreed with what was said above. Stay away from E15 if at all possible. No testing done yet and it is not approved really for use in MC's, lawn mowers etc.. Many car Mfrs are even saying that if it is used in their engines, they will not honor the warranties. Motorcycle Consumer News has been following this issue heavily for about the last 5-6 months.
I also dont doubt the lower MPG. Something about each gallon having less energy then. When I went from regular to NonOx, I started getting about 5mpg more in both the bike and my Blazer. As a side benefit, I am now protecting both of them from a higher risk of fuel system problems. Yeah it adds up but I can get 91 NonOx for only $0.20 more per gallon than 87 regular.
I also dont doubt the lower MPG. Something about each gallon having less energy then. When I went from regular to NonOx, I started getting about 5mpg more in both the bike and my Blazer. As a side benefit, I am now protecting both of them from a higher risk of fuel system problems. Yeah it adds up but I can get 91 NonOx for only $0.20 more per gallon than 87 regular.
the AMA just lobbied in DC about this same issue on fathers day (the 16th)
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It's not really in season now yet, though. Wait until end of July, it'll be DELICIOUS.
That was all over the news.
i was supposed to participate in the rally and i really wanted to go, but i realized it was fathers day and thus the obligation to the fathers in my life weighed a little heavier...i my self have written to congress about it. ethanol is not tested thoroughly and the use of ethanol in smaller motors and older motors is devastating the EPA is pushing it hard and has been trying to force oil distributors to use more and more amounts of it but the oil distributers that have been selling e15-e80 only have 4 or 5 customers that touch the stuff and they use it for specialty vehicles the EPA wants to implement a gradual increase each year of 5% more ethanol in fuel until 2020 starting in 2015 going by " higher ethanol fuels are safe in automobiles made from 2009 and earlier".
the EPA has not tested ----^ this theory in smaller displacement motors than 1400cc or on motorcycles, carbonated motors, lawn mowers,tractors,small boats,ATVs etc and the AMA is lobbying for more testing before allowing the EPA to mandate the increase..... to me the whole thing is bogus... most americans have seen what damage 10% of ethanol does to there gas milage, plastics,rubber,and overall motor components if the mandate does pass without testing it may cripple motorcycle use and some cars
edit: did anyone mention that ethanol is similar to moonshine? would you mix that up in your gas tank and run it all day every day?
Yeah very much worth the $. I use it as said previously for everything now, except my local dealer is only 91 NonOx. This will save my linetrimmer, mower, snowthrower. The lawn mower runs so smooth on this, especially after I mixed in some seafoam a while back to clean out the system. The blazer runs smoother, accelerates better and better mpg. I gained on avg 5mpg on the blazer. So at the typical fill up with my commute of 10 gallons I pay $2 more for the tank. but yet on 10 gallons I have averaged an extra 50 miles on that tank, so that $2 saved me from about $8 for 2.5 gallons of 87 E10, and hopefully prevented having a second round of failed fuel pump, injectors, etc...
If you can, stay away from blender pumps (where you push a button for the grade you want) ESPECIALLY at these E15 pumps. You will get something like 1 gallon of E15 before your chosen gas begins coming through. Those pumps that have dedicated hoses for each grade are soo much better.
yep. old school lift the lever and sep nozzles
We did a trip a few years back... spirited riding through the mountains... found e free gas and we still got better fuel economy and smoother running bikes. Didn't know there was any so close... about 16 miles up the road
We did a trip a few years back... spirited riding through the mountains... found e free gas and we still got better fuel economy and smoother running bikes. Didn't know there was any so close... about 16 miles up the road
Nearly FIVE DOLLARS? For real?
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yellowfz
We got some e-free gas in Ok and man it was better running and fuel mileage, of course I have been tuning cars and trucks with the stupid E-10 around here for years, so nothing new.
E-10 acts similar to regular gas, but E-15 don't know about, except a loss in mileage is for sure. We don't have O2 sensors that try and keep stoich (lambda 1) on our bikes here, yet. If you look at a stock tune versus a E-85 tune you can see the tricks they do to make, after the sensor picks up the E-content (ECU checks at every fill up what the AFR is like, GM type algorithm which has a sliding E-AFR scale), the ride run on the E-85, about 24 tables are altered that I have seen.
Not all stations have true E-10 it may very from 5% to 10% which plays havoc with trying to tune for it.
E-85 is some good stuff, 105 octane and 100% corn fuel is 115 octane, lots of power but sucks the fuel. With E-85 you can run insane timing without knock, dump fuel and pour on the timing.
Seriously the Moonshine crap is bad (as in not good) stuff, I always knew they would one day find a way to water down gas, enter Ethanol.
But for racing, I am trying to talk my nephew into running E-85 in his Pro Stock (2400hp) ride, makes good power.
SO keep the E-octane for racing if they want, but drop for the street rides.
E-10 acts similar to regular gas, but E-15 don't know about, except a loss in mileage is for sure. We don't have O2 sensors that try and keep stoich (lambda 1) on our bikes here, yet. If you look at a stock tune versus a E-85 tune you can see the tricks they do to make, after the sensor picks up the E-content (ECU checks at every fill up what the AFR is like, GM type algorithm which has a sliding E-AFR scale), the ride run on the E-85, about 24 tables are altered that I have seen.
Not all stations have true E-10 it may very from 5% to 10% which plays havoc with trying to tune for it.
E-85 is some good stuff, 105 octane and 100% corn fuel is 115 octane, lots of power but sucks the fuel. With E-85 you can run insane timing without knock, dump fuel and pour on the timing.
Seriously the Moonshine crap is bad (as in not good) stuff, I always knew they would one day find a way to water down gas, enter Ethanol.
But for racing, I am trying to talk my nephew into running E-85 in his Pro Stock (2400hp) ride, makes good power.
SO keep the E-octane for racing if they want, but drop for the street rides.
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Agree E85 should make great cheap race fuel. Racers has been using alcohol base fuel for decades! (Methanol) You need about twice as much but it wirk great!
Indycars have been using Ethanol for years now. I know it's not 100% ethanol but it's close. Something to do with being alcohol and state law... If there's a bit of gas in it it's not consider a "beverage" LOL
Nothing wrong with alcohol base fuel... just not the right stuff to be use in road car. If they are really concern about using less oil, bring all the Clean diesel that goes 60 MPG all day long in Europe.
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yellowfz
Yeah, power to mod ratio, diesel beats gas hands down. Diesel you can get 100 extra hp with a $100 bucks, for gas 100 extra hp cost you $1000 easily.
Methanol is different than Ethanol, way more corrosive, people get the 2 mixed up, Ethanol acts as cleaner if run in older cars and will make gunk turn loose clogging filters, but has no or little effect on plastic, rubber. But Methanol is highly corrosive and does require different thinking. There was a discussion years ago about E-85 and older cars, a guy on the tuning site ran E-85 in his 2000 Blazer with no ill effects, well loss of gas mileage, I think he did have larger injectors (which a E-85 will have), he did comment about fuel filter getting dirty with residue from the tank and lines.
Was just on the tuning site I am a member of and a guy was just talking about testing his gas and it was 6% Ethanol, trying to chase that perfect tune is hard now days.
His next fill up may be 10% or 8%. So just goes to show you the ECU is always adjusting to different fuel E-content, I do a ballpark AFR and let it go at that.
No such stations in Corrupticut, Taxachussets, RI, NH. I expected and predicted that even before clicking on the link. New England should be renamed as New Russia...