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Marthy

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Just pick that up in the news. Some f%$# three huggers decide that E15 is the next big thing. Regular gas FR is 14.7:1, E10 is 14.1:1 then E15 should be around 13.8:1 That's 8% more gas!

So someone explain me where the saving is? Just lost 24 miles on my tank going from regular gas to E15 by example. I'm talking about my bike, not my cage! On my cage it's close to 80-100 mile a tank if I was going to use regular gas compare to E15. Taking in consideration the more corn fuel you put in there... the less energy is being produce. Won't bring up issue like fuel lines and quite not sure about plastic tank??? Fuel pump???

Not cool at all. Hope we will have both fuel available for a while...

Court declines to hear challenge to EPA's stance on E15 gasoline | The Detroit News
 
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Bert-Aus

Bert-Aus

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So the engine is ok with E10?

I had wondered if it would be okay but never looked into apart from the manual, Australia doesn't have mandatory Ethanol (as yet -guess it's lucky us:p)

So does the US manual discuss Ehtanol use at all?
(My Aus does not cover the issue what so ever)
 
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Alex6

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Motorcyclist has a story on this exact issue. Mentioned the EPA had not tested motorcycles for E15 yet. Also worry that higher level of ethanol could be potentially harmful for the small engines.
If you have a choice, stay away from the gas stations that sell E15, it should be clearly marked.
 
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MiltonDorkenhoff

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Bert-Aus said:
So the engine is ok with E10?

I had wondered if it would be okay but never looked into apart from the manual, Australia doesn't have mandatory Ethanol (as yet -guess it's lucky us:p)

So does the US manual discuss Ehtanol use at all?
(My Aus does not cover the issue what so ever)
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The manual says this (page 2-2):

Never ride under the influence of alcohol or other drugs.​

:)

The AMA and everyone else think it's a bad idea, it melts plastic, rubber, etc.
 
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Anthony

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Corn gas.. All those subsidies...


That's why food prices are rising.... You check the cost of a box of Frosted Flakes lately :mad:
 
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MichaelInVenice

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Cerebus said:
I think it's tree huggers too. It's all about their precious "carbon footprint".
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Nope. After counting in the energy costs of making it, E15 is much more polluting than straight gasoline. This is 100% about the corn lobby, which is why we're the only country in the world that is even considering the issue.
 
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Pinarello Rider

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Cerebus said:
I think it's tree huggers too. It's all about their precious "carbon footprint".
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I don't believe this is correct. The farm lobby loves it. Treehuggers want less pollution and clean air to breathe and ethanol doesn't do that.
 
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Bert-Aus

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Straight outta the FZ6R manual (cheers Milton LOL)

page 4-12
Gasohol
...ethanol content does not exceed 10% (E10)...
 
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pjmac5

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MiltonDorkenhoff said:
I *think* it's not the treehuggers that want E15, it's the corn farmer lobbyists.
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Really the Ethanol Lobby came after the Ethanol mandates of 2007. Law makers were desperate to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Brazil had a lot of success using ethanol so we jumped on the bandwagon. A variety of subsidies were thrown at the project to make it fly.

Well fast forward and there have been unbelievable advances in fracking technology and the US will actually be a net oil exporter by 2017. The need for ethanol is basically dead but the ethanol mandates are still in place and the ethanol lobby doesn't want to let the industry that was thrown together in 2007 die.
 
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BKP

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It's not about us, or what's best for the environment, or even the economy. It, now like everything else, is about politics and lobbies, and who's pocket it will line, and what's right be damned. Welcome to the United Republic of Amerika.

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Pinarello Rider

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Riccochet said:
Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada

I only run 100% gas in my vehicles. After having to replace the entire fuel system on my boat several years ago I'll never run ethanol, at any percentage, in anything I own. Even my damn lawnmower runs on 93 pure gas. lol
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You're lucky you have the choice. The nearest 100% petrol station to me is about 3 hours away.

BKP said:
It's not about us, or what's best for the environment, or even the economy. It, now like everything else, is about politics and lobbies, and who's pocket it will line, and what's right be damned. Welcome to the United Republic of Amerika.



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Don't know what the 'k' indicates, but I'd agree with everything else.
 
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MCSafetyGuy

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Marthy said:
Just pick that up in the news. Some f%$# three huggers decide that E15 is the next big thing. Regular gas FR is 14.7:1, E10 is 14.1:1 then E15 should be around 13.8:1 That's 8% more gas!

So someone explain me where the saving is? Just lost 24 miles on my tank going from regular gas to E15 by example. I'm talking about my bike, not my cage! On my cage it's close to 80-100 mile a tank if I was going to use regular gas compare to E15. Taking in consideration the more corn fuel you put in there... the less energy is being produce. Won't bring up issue like fuel lines and quite not sure about plastic tank??? Fuel pump???

Not cool at all. Hope we will have both fuel available for a while...

Court declines to hear challenge to EPA's stance on E15 gasoline | The Detroit News
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Started researching this a couple of months back and found station that sell the pure stuff. NO Eth/Corn!
 
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roundhouse

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MiltonDorkenhoff said:
I *think* it's not the treehuggers that want E15, it's the corn farmer lobbyists.
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i agree. the tree huggers are not as well funded and can;t line the pockets of the politicians like the corn beast. corn juice is also an underhanded way of taking care of those pesky older vehicles who's plastic and rubber parts get eaten quickly.
 
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dart1963

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Riccochet said:
Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada

I only run 100% gas in my vehicles. After having to replace the entire fuel system on my boat several years ago I'll never run ethanol, at any percentage, in anything I own. Even my damn lawnmower runs on 93 pure gas. lol
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I'll have to check this out, looks like Liberty stations have e free gas right up the road from me... if that is still the case, I'll bring my gas containers and keep them filled with gas. Seriously thought about getting a bigger container as I use so much in my commute.

I never understood the whole e thing... worse fuel economy, costs the same (in reality more, as you get less bang for the buck)... the corn farmers get subsidies.... no wonder we're going broke... yet again, as bkp pointed out, common sense and free market overrun by policies/politics
 

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Grumpy

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Checked out the list on the 100% fuel list and there isn't anyone remotely close to me. :( However, I have been using the Yamaha Fuel Med Rx fuel treatment in my bike and it noticeably runs a lot better with it.
 
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