jotapeh
New Member
Hey ry-mac - I think I have seen your bike parked in front of the Burrito Boyz in TO on Peter St! Those handles look very familiar.. I saw maybe 3 FZ6Rs together that day too.
-
Welcome to the Yamaha FZ6R Forums. Member registration disables ads and allows you to post and share. Register Here.
New levers
- Thread starter Spunky99
- Start date
Hey ry-mac - I think I have seen your bike parked in front of the Burrito Boyz in TO on Peter St! Those handles look very familiar.. I saw maybe 3 FZ6Rs together that day too.
MikeN02
New Member
So can anyone clarify this or prove this? That Pazzo's and ASV levers will wear off in color as well...
So the only difference from Pazzo and these cheap levers is the styling? I know ASV goes by "unbreakable" and style.
If ASV and Pazzo levers are going to wear off anyways I might as well just order these cheap ones, I want blue but I don't want it to look odd when it wears off so silver is also an option..
- Thread starter
- #23
Spunky99
New Member
Direct from Pazzo.....
Pazzo Levers are machined from 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum and feature a jeweled machine finish. A custom brass pivot bushing and precision machined pivot bore ensure a perfect fit and easy operation. Cadmium plated springs and stainless steel hardware are standard. All Pazzo levers feature a 6 position adjuster tab that provides over 1.5 inches of adjustment and can be operated easily even with gloves on. The long Pazzo levers feature break away tabs as well.
They have a 7075 Type III anodized cam block too.
So the material is exactly the same as the Hong Kong levers...and the break away tabs are in the cheapest of the clone levers as well.
The jeweled machine finish is what is puzzling. All the other levers call it an anodized finish.
Here is an example of a jeweled surface and it has nothing to do with color.
From Webbikeworld.com: "Pazzo levers are available in a multitude of mix 'n' match colors, so just about any anodized lever color can be had with any adjuster color".
and from customridefx.com: "Pazzo Levers and adjusters come in over a dozen anodized colors that can be mixed, creating hundreds of color combinations. Mix and matched a set of Pazzo Levers to fit your taste and style."
So it would appear the Pazzo levers have a surface finish I used to call dimeteen which is a circular swirled finish that they now call "jeweled" but are anodized for the color.
Pazzo shorty:
Diversion shorty and long:
Pazzo long:
So when we look at the levers closely, we can see how close the clone levers come to the Pazzo levers without that distinctive "jeweled" finish.
The Pazzo levers also have the brass bushing which none of the clones seem to have. Both the Pazzo long and Diversion long levers feature the break away tabs. I would bet that the anodized surface on all the levers from every manufacturer will wear and show the aluminum below after a while. So my point is that for a distinctive "jeweled" surface and a brass bushing I have to buy a Pazzo that costs almost 4 times the cheapest clone that looks otherwise like an exact copy.
Pazzo Levers are machined from 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum and feature a jeweled machine finish. A custom brass pivot bushing and precision machined pivot bore ensure a perfect fit and easy operation. Cadmium plated springs and stainless steel hardware are standard. All Pazzo levers feature a 6 position adjuster tab that provides over 1.5 inches of adjustment and can be operated easily even with gloves on. The long Pazzo levers feature break away tabs as well.
They have a 7075 Type III anodized cam block too.
So the material is exactly the same as the Hong Kong levers...and the break away tabs are in the cheapest of the clone levers as well.
The jeweled machine finish is what is puzzling. All the other levers call it an anodized finish.
Here is an example of a jeweled surface and it has nothing to do with color.
From Webbikeworld.com: "Pazzo levers are available in a multitude of mix 'n' match colors, so just about any anodized lever color can be had with any adjuster color".
and from customridefx.com: "Pazzo Levers and adjusters come in over a dozen anodized colors that can be mixed, creating hundreds of color combinations. Mix and matched a set of Pazzo Levers to fit your taste and style."
So it would appear the Pazzo levers have a surface finish I used to call dimeteen which is a circular swirled finish that they now call "jeweled" but are anodized for the color.
Pazzo shorty:
Diversion shorty and long:
Pazzo long:
So when we look at the levers closely, we can see how close the clone levers come to the Pazzo levers without that distinctive "jeweled" finish.
The Pazzo levers also have the brass bushing which none of the clones seem to have. Both the Pazzo long and Diversion long levers feature the break away tabs. I would bet that the anodized surface on all the levers from every manufacturer will wear and show the aluminum below after a while. So my point is that for a distinctive "jeweled" surface and a brass bushing I have to buy a Pazzo that costs almost 4 times the cheapest clone that looks otherwise like an exact copy.
rjsantana20
New Member
I gotta say, levers and grips in one post. This forum has got me spending more and more $$ each day for my 6R. I love this forum!
But really, a guy at work keeps telling me to switch out the levers for shorties. I really didn't pay attention to the way I use the levers but I will now.
But really, a guy at work keeps telling me to switch out the levers for shorties. I really didn't pay attention to the way I use the levers but I will now.
- Thread starter
- #25
Spunky99
New Member
The Pazzo levers are the ones that are being copied by the Hong Kong companies. The ASV levers are a bit different in style and manufacture although the ASV levers are anodized as well.
The ASV levers are forged out of 6061 aluminum instead of CNC machined from billet 6061 aluminum (forging is a much cheaper process). The material is the same as Pazzo and all the other clones but uses a fold out design to save the lever from breaking. Sunline and DRC manufacture the cheaper forged levers as OEM replacement for the Yamaha units and make them for other brands as well including Honda, Suzuki, KTM etc.
reference motorcycle-use.com, asvinventions.com etc.
From ASV:
Unbreakable Design
All ASV levers feature a special pivot design that allows the lever to fold out of harms way in the event of a crash or tip-over of the bike. Instead of bending or breaking, ASV levers simply pivot outward when impact occurs, and spring back instantly. The pivot junction uses a pair of high quality chrome steel, ABEC rated precision sealed bearings for years of smooth operation and ZERO "play" or "slop".
A special high-tension Chrome Silicon cantilever spring returns the lever back to its original position instantly and does not allow the lever to pivot at all while riding. This high quality spring is rated for over 100,000 rotations without losing it's original tension.
High Quality Components/Rebuildable
All ASV levers use the same high quality components including chrome steel precision sealed bearings, stainless steel pivot and bushing parts, Chrome Silicon cantilever springs, aerospace grade stainless steel and chromoly fasteners, and specially designed and manufactured fasteners. ASV levers are also completely rebuildable and serviceable with no special tools required.
So the lever is easily broken but the design makes the probability of the lever sustaining enough force to be broken nearly impossible and YES...they are anodized.
The ASV levers are forged out of 6061 aluminum instead of CNC machined from billet 6061 aluminum (forging is a much cheaper process). The material is the same as Pazzo and all the other clones but uses a fold out design to save the lever from breaking. Sunline and DRC manufacture the cheaper forged levers as OEM replacement for the Yamaha units and make them for other brands as well including Honda, Suzuki, KTM etc.
reference motorcycle-use.com, asvinventions.com etc.
From ASV:
Unbreakable Design
All ASV levers feature a special pivot design that allows the lever to fold out of harms way in the event of a crash or tip-over of the bike. Instead of bending or breaking, ASV levers simply pivot outward when impact occurs, and spring back instantly. The pivot junction uses a pair of high quality chrome steel, ABEC rated precision sealed bearings for years of smooth operation and ZERO "play" or "slop".
A special high-tension Chrome Silicon cantilever spring returns the lever back to its original position instantly and does not allow the lever to pivot at all while riding. This high quality spring is rated for over 100,000 rotations without losing it's original tension.
High Quality Components/Rebuildable
All ASV levers use the same high quality components including chrome steel precision sealed bearings, stainless steel pivot and bushing parts, Chrome Silicon cantilever springs, aerospace grade stainless steel and chromoly fasteners, and specially designed and manufactured fasteners. ASV levers are also completely rebuildable and serviceable with no special tools required.
So the lever is easily broken but the design makes the probability of the lever sustaining enough force to be broken nearly impossible and YES...they are anodized.
Last edited:
- Thread starter
- #26
Spunky99
New Member
Question for you: There is no right or wrong answer....
Have you adjusted the front brake lever on the FZ6R yet?
If not, do so and see the difference.
If so, either a long or shorty adjustable clutch and brake lever will adjust to your preference.
I have large hands but like the levers closer to the bar for smaller handed people. It is a personal preference and not a technically defined process.
rjsantana20
New Member
Question for you: There is no right or wrong answer....
Have you adjusted the front brake lever on the FZ6R yet?
If not, do so and see the difference.
If so, either a long or shorty adjustable clutch and brake lever will adjust to your preference.
I have large hands but like the levers closer to the bar for smaller handed people. It is a personal preference and not a technically defined process.
To answer your question, I have not adjusted the levers. I was thinking about it because I noticed that my fingers really stretched out to grab the levers. I haven't done so because of time. I'm thinking that maybe with a shorter reach my hands won't feel like they are over extending.
I have to pay more attention the way I ride to see what would be best. The grips change is on my list. Hoping to help with the vibration. The levers are on my mind to list but not yet.
Thanks for the info.
- Thread starter
- #28
Spunky99
New Member
I delayed messing with mine and one day I tried to move the adjustment with my fingers and it moved. I kept moving it more and more until it was as close to the bar as it goes and I left it there. My braking is much better and the adjustment took 30 seconds of time.
Try it
ry-mac75
New Member
hahaha - yeah, that's me. I work in the office across the street. There's another FZ6R that's usually out there w/ some reallllllllllll big saddle bags. Zat you?
MikeN02
New Member
Is it possible or common that one is short and other is long?
I noticed today I grab 4 fingers for my clutch and just 2 for my brake.
I noticed today I grab 4 fingers for my clutch and just 2 for my brake.
- Thread starter
- #31
Spunky99
New Member
I thought about that....but I have yet to see a mix and match set of levers for sale. I bet you can tho if you contact a seller on eBay. He will probably have you specify it in the notes when you pay.
I put on the R6 mirrors and the long levers hit the bottom of the mirror glass when I turn sharp when making a slow U turn so the shorty levers will eliminate this.
husker525
New Member
It is not real common, but certainly has been done. It looks a little weird, that is all. Using 2 fingers for the controls is contradictory to what the MSF course teaches, but being a motocrosser by nature, 1 or 2 fingers on the levers is mostly what I use. Just pulled the trigger on the Hong Kong levers to try them out. I will see how they work and hold up. For 40 bucks, it was worth a try.
pyrocpu
New Member
I'm more curious to understand if the shorty levers (wherever the levers are made) will clear the plastic switch housings on our bikes...
BTW, $40/ea or $40/pair??
BTW, $40/ea or $40/pair??
- Thread starter
- #34
Spunky99
New Member
pair...confirmed by the seller a few posts back.
pyrocpu
New Member
G-d it... sorry about that... was rather bleary eyed, skimming it last night.
Curious to see how the end product turns out. Super interested, at $40!
Curious to see how the end product turns out. Super interested, at $40!
- Moderator
- #36
When you get them, can you snap a few shots of how easy it is to swap them out?
I'm in the market for the shorty two finger levers.... about a week after getting my bike, I dropped it and bent the crap out my clutch lever, upon bending it back, I broke it (filed it and cut and filed the brake to match as well now) so I'd like to get something that looks good, but wasn't willing to pay $180 for... I've been two fingering for a while to get used to it... gotta say that in traffic, my clutch fingers still get sore.
- Thread starter
- #37
Spunky99
New Member
Roger Dodger....will do a photo op of the whole process. I'll bet the end of the clutch lever that you filed down was kinda rough where the broken metal was exposed. Forged levers are like that.....looks like sand kinda...
I'll get 3 fingers on the clutch...2 ain't enough and I don't need tendonitis...LOL
Tomorrow I do the front and rear RaceTech spring install and 15 wt oil, handlebar drop and finish the UV LED install. I installed the 1 ton hoist today to lift the front and rear to do it.
Yeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwww
MikeN02
New Member
If anyone wants to read the whole thread like I did here ya go:
Cheap Brake/clutch levers - Page 15 - Yamaha FZ6 Forums - International FZ6 Motorcycle Community Forum
Basically they said it's good quality and that they'll buy it again. Of course the color faded, ie gold lever started turning bronze. Some of the levers they said they have to file as it was too big or they got a bad batch.
I'm debating whether to get the blue ones or the silver ones as the silver ones won't fade...?
Cheap Brake/clutch levers - Page 15 - Yamaha FZ6 Forums - International FZ6 Motorcycle Community Forum
Basically they said it's good quality and that they'll buy it again. Of course the color faded, ie gold lever started turning bronze. Some of the levers they said they have to file as it was too big or they got a bad batch.
I'm debating whether to get the blue ones or the silver ones as the silver ones won't fade...?
- Thread starter
- #39
Spunky99
New Member
Thanks MikeNO2...good info.
I saw a lot of them said the levers were slip in with no mod at all too.
And I saw that unless you buy Pazzo you just ain't cool....lol
We will see what we see when they arrive I guess.
I saw a lot of them said the levers were slip in with no mod at all too.
And I saw that unless you buy Pazzo you just ain't cool....lol
We will see what we see when they arrive I guess.
MikeN02
New Member
It's a Zero btw. :iconbeer:
That's like saying u ain't cool unless you rock a helmet hawk.
I want that keychain though, retails about $2 USD!
