flooded bike...help

[leprecaun jon]

so I'm a fool, i was working on my bike to get it back on the road, i have to replace my right rotor and all of my pads.... well i was missing some tools a needed so a mechanic buddy of mine was on his way to help and bring those tools. i decided it would be a good idea to install my juice box pro, so i installed all the wires and hooked everything up. gas was seeking from the tank being flipped up, so i thought nothing of this next part and i really didn't think anything of the noise i heard. gas started spewing out of my bike from the fuel rail and air box, i then realized the noise i heard was the fuel pump and that i had wired the juice box to the ignition relay! :soapbox:.... i was following the pictures in my TBR instructions, i wired to what i thought was the right place but the instructions didn't include removing the battery cover and it threw me off so, I'm an idiot. now my bike is flooded and i believe the ignition relay is shot... needless to say there is fuel in the throttle bodies, and the spark plug ports, it seems some of the fuel has receded and tow of the throttle bodies are clear, the oil pan is open and most of the fluid has drained but there is fuel trapped in the top end of the motor and i dont know what to do.... I've been told a few things, someone said i may need to rebuild the motor and god i hope not..... and I've been told there may be a relief valve somewhere? i dont know what to do right now but advice would be nice i feel like a complete idiot and really depressed my bike is now worse off then it was already.

 

[Scott_Thomas]

so I'm a fool, i was working on my bike to get it back on the road, i have to replace my right rotor and all of my pads.... well i was missing some tools a needed so a mechanic buddy of mine was on his way to help and bring those tools. i decided it would be a good idea to install my juice box pro, so i installed all the wires and hooked everything up. gas was seeking from the tank being flipped up, so i thought nothing of this next part and i really didn't think anything of the noise i heard. gas started spewing out of my bike from the fuel rail and air box, i then realized the noise i heard was the fuel pump and that i had wired the juice box to the ignition relay! :soapbox:.... i was following the pictures in my TBR instructions, i wired to what i thought was the right place but the instructions didn't include removing the battery cover and it threw me off so, I'm an idiot. now my bike is flooded and i believe the ignition relay is shot... needless to say there is fuel in the throttle bodies, and the spark plug ports, it seems some of the fuel has receded and tow of the throttle bodies are clear, the oil pan is open and most of the fluid has drained but there is fuel trapped in the top end of the motor and i dont know what to do.... I've been told a few things, someone said i may need to rebuild the motor and god i hope not..... and I've been told there may be a relief valve somewhere? i dont know what to do right now but advice would be nice i feel like a complete idiot and really depressed my bike is now worse off then it was already.

Wow that sucks. First time I've ever heard of a mishap like that installing a JBP or PC5. Hopefully everything is okay. The PC5 only has positive, negative wires (wired direct to battery) along with the harnesses that you plug inline. Only wire tapped was for advance gear maps. If you allow the gas to fully evaporate it may not have damaged anything.

 

[leprecaun jon]

Wow that sucks. First time I've ever heard of a mishap like that installing a JBP or PC5. Hopefully everything is okay. The PC5 only has positive, negative wires (wired direct to battery) along with the harnesses that you plug inline. Only wire tapped was for advance gear maps. If you allow the gas to fully evaporate it may not have damaged anything.

thats what I'm hoping for, I'm just worried about it sitting in the top end. a friend of mine said it may have damaged the seals :-/ i really dont know.

 

[Scott_Thomas]

thats what I'm hoping for, I'm just worried about it sitting in the top end. a friend of mine said it may have damaged the seals :-/ i really dont know.

If all the gas is evaporated there's only one way to find out.

 

[leprecaun jon]

yeah, from what i keep reading all you can do is wait for the gas to evaporate and replace the spark plugs.... I've read quite a few articles and they all come back to letting it evaporate.

 

[Hellgate]

You can't flood an FI bike. Just remove the JB and anything else you've done and fire it up. If you have fuel in the oil, change the oil.

 

[buzzbomb]

Wow, that sounds like one my adventures with the CB900! Think of it as a learning experience. In the Army we'd call it "Good Training."

Keep in mind, I've had ZERO experience problem solving fuel injected motors. I'm willing to tell you what I'd do though:

Personally, I'd just get some rags or something and sop up all the fuel I could get to. Then I'd leave it be until whatever else I could see had evaporated.

To see what's flooded, I'd pull each plug one at a time and insert a wooden dowel until it touched the cylinder head, kind of like a dipstick. It'll tell you if there's fuel pooled in the cylinder.

If so get something like a turkey baster with a tube on it and suck it out.

As for the ignition relay? I'm not sure on the 6R, but if it's actually just a physical relay switching device, it just really needs to be dry on the inside. Don't touch the ignition switch until you're sure it is. If it's solidstate, it's probably fine, but I'm working a little over my head on this.

I wouldn't worry about that one until you've done everything else. If you turn the key and nothing happens at that point? We'll go from there.

Not sure what you mean by "the oil pan is open." If there's any doubt you may have gotten fuel in the oil, I'd definitely go ahead and change it soonest. Use some cheap motorcycle oil, ride it for an hour (or until and if it overheats) and change it again with the good stuff and the filter as well.

A dry ignition relay and no fuel in the oil aside, I'd do what Hellgate suggested: Undo your changes and see if it fires up. It's necessary to undo what you did, so that you know that's not the issue if you have any problems.

In the end, this whole thing may not be that big of a deal. Don't stress it, buddy until there's a true reason to!

 

[Scott_Thomas]

Wow, that sounds like one my adventures with the CB900! Think of it as a learning experience. In the Army we'd call it "Good Training."

Keep in mind, I've had ZERO experience problem solving fuel injected motors. I'm willing to tell you what I'd do though:

Personally, I'd just get some rags or something and sop up all the fuel I could get to. Then I'd leave it be until whatever else I could see had evaporated.

To see what's flooded, I'd pull each plug one at a time and insert a wooden dowel until it touched the cylinder head, kind of like a dipstick. It'll tell you if there's fuel pooled in the cylinder.

If so get something like a turkey baster with a tube on it and suck it out.

As for the ignition relay? I'm not sure on the 6R, but if it's actually just a physical relay switching device, it just really needs to be dry on the inside. Don't touch the ignition switch until you're sure it is. If it's solidstate, it's probably fine, but I'm working a little over my head on this.

I wouldn't worry about that one until you've done everything else. If you turn the key and nothing happens at that point? We'll go from there.

Not sure what you mean by "the oil pan is open." If there's any doubt you may have gotten fuel in the oil, I'd definitely go ahead and change it soonest. Use some cheap motorcycle oil, ride it for an hour (or until and if it overheats) and change it again with the good stuff and the filter as well.

A dry ignition relay and no fuel in the oil aside, I'd do what Hellgate suggested: Undo your changes and see if it fires up. It's necessary to undo what you did, so that you know that's not the issue if you have any problems.

In the end, this whole thing may not be that big of a deal. Don't stress it, buddy until there's a true reason to!

Couldn't agree with the last line of this post more. The glass is half empty even though it's full, because you know you're going to drink some. I wouldn't sorry till I know she won't fire up.

 

[leprecaun jon]

Wow, that sounds like one my adventures with the CB900! Think of it as a learning experience. In the Army we'd call it "Good Training."

Keep in mind, I've had ZERO experience problem solving fuel injected motors. I'm willing to tell you what I'd do though:

Personally, I'd just get some rags or something and sop up all the fuel I could get to. Then I'd leave it be until whatever else I could see had evaporated.

To see what's flooded, I'd pull each plug one at a time and insert a wooden dowel until it touched the cylinder head, kind of like a dipstick. It'll tell you if there's fuel pooled in the cylinder.

If so get something like a turkey baster with a tube on it and suck it out.

As for the ignition relay? I'm not sure on the 6R, but if it's actually just a physical relay switching device, it just really needs to be dry on the inside. Don't touch the ignition switch until you're sure it is. If it's solidstate, it's probably fine, but I'm working a little over my head on this.

I wouldn't worry about that one until you've done everything else. If you turn the key and nothing happens at that point? We'll go from there.

Not sure what you mean by "the oil pan is open." If there's any doubt you may have gotten fuel in the oil, I'd definitely go ahead and change it soonest. Use some cheap motorcycle oil, ride it for an hour (or until and if it overheats) and change it again with the good stuff and the filter as well.

A dry ignition relay and no fuel in the oil aside, I'd do what Hellgate suggested: Undo your changes and see if it fires up. It's necessary to undo what you did, so that you know that's not the issue if you have any problems.

In the end, this whole thing may not be that big of a deal. Don't stress it, buddy until there's a true reason to!

ok to clear things up, the oil pan is open, meaning i took the screw out and oil and gas spewed out of it as in ( 4 gallons of the mixture) i left it over night and it looks like the throttle bodies are clear and the spark plug ports seem clear, but i haven't tried the dowel thing yet thats a splendid idea. the JB is uninstalled that was my first measure. Im pretty sure i fried the relay because like a ding bat i didn't disconnect the battery, none of the fuses are blown but the bike may not have wanted to turn over because it was flooded i really dont know. id say most of the fuel is out or evaporated but I'm going to leave it for another day or so before i mess with anything. while removing the spark plugs i ran into yet another problem! one of the plugs pulled up but left its threads behind. I'm hoping i can aether pull them up with a magnet or thread them out some how... but i dont know what happened to them, ill have to get a camera down there to see. if it aint one thing its another :-/

 

[leprecaun jon]

good news!!, the spark plug threads did not break off into the head, they just fell into the spark plug cylinder.... so i can stick a magnet in there and pull it up.

 

[98Deathmage]

thats what I'm hoping for, I'm just worried about it sitting in the top end. a friend of mine said it may have damaged the seals :-/ i really dont know.

Petroleum is Petroleum. It wont harm the seals and the motor. If the starter was trying to turn the bike over and it wasnt turning due to hydrolocking from too much fuel, then I would be a tiny bit concerned but not really. I would just take the air box off, remove the spark plugs and drain the oil. Wait a day and reinstall the airbox, new spark plugs and fresh oil and you should be fine. Fuel will not harm anything unless it fell on hoses that were not designed to be in contact with petroleum(which is rarely found on vehicles designed to carry this stuff *wink wink* ). As for the electrical, you will have to investigate that when the time comes to start the bike and see if your relay is shot unless you have a DVOM to test the relay.

Its literally just a small problem that was commonly seen when engines were carburated or people overcranking FI engines when the spark plugs werent firing. Nothing to be scared about. And there is safety pieces in place for the electrical that will prevent major destruction unless you are a serious "Ding Bat" and jump start a vehicle backwards (and yes I have seen it done to a prius before -_- ). As long as you dont do the backwards jump start or battery thing, you are more likely fry the JB than your bike. Fuses are in place along with circuit breakers and fusable links that all automakers use to protect the sensitive electricals on board. So its not worth stressing or you may miss certain things or make one step 10 steps more complicated.

My advice, take a day break from this and come back with a calm and focused mind so you dont miss any details and not have the stress that everything is messed up because its 99.9% likely not. Good luck.

 

[Superzoom]

if it aint one thing its another :-/

Jon, I was just thinking of you the other day and remember the bull crap you had to go through to finally get your bike.

Please tell me that you've been enjoying the hell out of it and that the hassle was all worth it in the end!

And remember, "This too shall pass."

 

[leprecaun jon]

Petroleum is Petroleum. It wont harm the seals and the motor. If the starter was trying to turn the bike over and it wasnt turning due to hydrolocking from too much fuel, then I would be a tiny bit concerned but not really. I would just take the air box off, remove the spark plugs and drain the oil. Wait a day and reinstall the airbox, new spark plugs and fresh oil and you should be fine. Fuel will not harm anything unless it fell on hoses that were not designed to be in contact with petroleum(which is rarely found on vehicles designed to carry this stuff *wink wink* ). As for the electrical, you will have to investigate that when the time comes to start the bike and see if your relay is shot unless you have a DVOM to test the relay.

Its literally just a small problem that was commonly seen when engines were carburated or people overcranking FI engines when the spark plugs werent firing. Nothing to be scared about. And there is safety pieces in place for the electrical that will prevent major destruction unless you are a serious "Ding Bat" and jump start a vehicle backwards (and yes I have seen it done to a prius before -_- ). As long as you dont do the backwards jump start or battery thing, you are more likely fry the JB than your bike. Fuses are in place along with circuit breakers and fusable links that all automakers use to protect the sensitive electricals on board. So its not worth stressing or you may miss certain things or make one step 10 steps more complicated.

My advice, take a day break from this and come back with a calm and focused mind so you dont miss any details and not have the stress that everything is messed up because its 99.9% likely not. Good luck.

thanks for the advice and reassurance, obviously the person filling my head with the bs, is not a competent mechanic. my best friend has reassured me of the same thing, i took a deep breath and watched the progress, I'm not so scared at this point, just excited to get everything back on the bike and everything back up and running!

 

[leprecaun jon]

Jon, I was just thinking of you the other day and remember the bull crap you had to go through to finally get your bike.

Please tell me that you've been enjoying the hell out of it and that the hassle was all worth it in the end!

And remember, "This too shall pass."

oh yes, yes i have been enjoying the hell out of my bike, it has been sitting since November, i usually ride all year, but had to fix another mechanical issue so now I'm trying to get her back on the road. My first motorcycle has had one hell of a dramatic life and through the years will never be forgotten...not that i plan on parting ways any time soon, but she will forever be immortalized lol.

 

[leprecaun jon]

So just to update, I replaced the spark plugs, put everything back together, and managed to fire my bike up. Now it's flashing what I assume are error codes with a check engine light 21 13. I believe 13 May be the air temp sensor that was in the air box that got wet from gas... ( btw my relay still works) and when I was putting my gas tank back on a splice for the connector to the tank ( not the green one but the black connector) came undone and while I was fixing it the wire insulation came off... So that could be one of the codes. Why it was spliced to begin with I don't know but I may have to order a new connector. Other than that my bike hesitated at first then fired up I let it sit and run for a while, smoked like hell and shot out some carbon, cut it off, fired it up again let it run for 15 mins..... Let it sit for 20 mins then fired it up one last time it fired up right away the last time. I'm going to flush that oil out of there maybe today, and get another couple of quarts, maybe run it for 500 miles then change the oil again with what I usually use.


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[leprecaun jon]

Ok, another update, my bike is back together and I am riding it, I had a check engine light I couldn't figure out. I traced it down to my juice box pro, for some reason when it's plugged in I get a check engine light so for now I have the oem harness plugged in as would be stock and I will be writing two brothers about the issue shortly other than that we back in business!


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[Scott_Thomas]

Ok, another update, my bike is back together and I am riding it, I had a check engine light I couldn't figure out. I traced it down to my juice box pro, for some reason when it's plugged in I get a check engine light so for now I have the oem harness plugged in as would be stock and I will be writing two brothers about the issue shortly other than that we back in business!


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Are you sure it's wired right? Glad you got your bike running. I have the Pcv, but I imagine both have similar installation. Can't imagine how it could cause a check engine code.

 

[ksk operator 1]

mechanic
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[buzzbomb]

LJ. I've had bad luck with cars. It doesn't matter how hard I research or for how long, I somehow get screwed with the cars I've bought.

However, I've been very lucky with my bikes. Every single one has been golden. The 6r is definitely at top of the good-buy list. Try this:

Put the bike back to stock and ride the hell out of it. I haven't modded my bike. I say don't mod yours. Just ride the darn thing. It's a really good ride, stock. Just take care of basic maintenance and ride the heck out of it!

 

[leprecaun jon]

Are you sure it's wired right? Glad you got your bike running. I have the Pcv, but I imagine both have similar installation. Can't imagine how it could cause a check engine code.

It can only be wired the way the connections fit lol other than that it's connected to the battery.... I'm sure it's the juice box because I plugged all those connections back the way they go stock


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