This is messed up...

[pilninggas]

that is appalling - more like a jacking than a stop. Surely that rozzer needs either a bit of a disciplinary or retraining. Scary people like that driving around with a gun.

Not saying the UK is much better, but not many regular coppers are armed, let alone off duty.

 

[Wooster]

Maybe I'm missing something because I didn't see anything in the video that actually showed the cops questioning or arresting him because of the recording. All the video shows are 2 cops arresting a guy who was driving like a retard which at those speeds they are well within their rights to do. The off duty cop identified himself as soon as he got out of the car. He probably didn't need to pull his weapon, but that is up to his discretion and no court in this country is going to fault him on that.

 

[leprecaun jon]

ill post the other video hang on, they had all right to arrest him for exccess of 100mph , the off duty cop however pulled his gun... said get off the bike... then identified him self...before ever pulling the gun he should have IDed him self as a police officer....

"He probably didn't need to pull his weapon, but that is up to his discretion and no court in this country is going to fault him on that."

and thats part of the reason law enforcement is so corrupt...no one questions them (in some cases they do) they regulate the people and how they can use there weapons... i think they need to crack down on cops and there use of weapons.... this man was an unarmed cooperating civilian...that just had some crazy guy hop outa his car on a highway pull a gun and say get off the motorcycle, get off the motorcycle.... by the way im state police... wtf?

added the link to the other video on the OP

 

[Spunky99]

The Federal Appeals Court has ruled that video recording the police in a public place is a constitutional right for all U.S. citizens.

Those cases where wiretapping etc was used as an excuse to prosecute and imprison people that video taped Police or anyone else in public are going to be tossed out.

GLIK v. CUNNIFFE - Heard June 8, 2011.

I wear a helmet cam whenever I ride and have a mount for my cage too.

 

[dart1963]

merged all three of the threads on this. Feel free to go back and read through the posts

 

[leprecaun jon]

i see so we have seen this video before lol... thanks dart...i think if the government can record me on public roads why cant i record too?

perhaps its something for the AMA to help defend.... those cameras that motorcyclists use, have saved lives.... and caught criminals in hit and run situations, they have also been used for educational purposes

 

[Shuffle_Punch]

haha well if it's any consolation officers in the city where I work get specifically trained that we can/should be expected to be recorded in all situations.

Even from a LEO perspective the whole situation was quite shady.

One other thing.... (I'm not fond of sterotyping )

"and thats part of the reason law enforcement is so corrupt mad: )..."

"...no one questions them (in some cases they do) they regulate the people and how they can use there weapons... ---> he didn't "use his weapon" by my standards...

"...cooperating..." (wasn't cooperating, per say, he started backing up, which imo can cause a little bit of raised awareness)

Albeit he definitely should have ID'd himself earlier... but in the heat of the moment I can somewhat see how it COULD (not should) happen that way.

PS, and if it were me... off duty, plain clothes... I would have let the marked car, that was obviously close, make the stop... which would have eliminated a lot of the issues... but that's just me

 

[leprecaun jon]

im not trying to stereotype everyone into one category, but im also not about to create an argument about the corruptness of law enforcement and the justice system.... there are good cops out there...there are bad cops out there... but in a lot of cases its seen as "a decorated cop" vs a "criminal"....and innocent until proven guilty seems to be mandated before the proving of anything starts...already accusing the person as a criminal..by no means am i saying its always like that.... just in a lot of cases.

if i can be arrested for pulling a gun out in public.... then this off duty police officer "used" his weapon....

he was backing up from a car that had just cut him off, he had no idea that was a cop, for his safety he was giving the car more room... it commonly happens here in va

however, i do agree... he should have let the on duty marked cop car take care of the situation.

 

[yellowfz]

The Federal Appeals Court has ruled that video recording the police in a public place is a constitutional right for all U.S. citizens.

Those cases where wiretapping etc was used as an excuse to prosecute and imprison people that video taped Police or anyone else in public are going to be tossed out.

GLIK v. CUNNIFFE*-*Heard June 8, 2011.

I wear a helmet cam whenever I ride and have a mount for my cage too.

I was going to say I got into this when I recorded some idiot Firemen playing tag with city water trucks .
In Texas if you are in public you are fair game , private residence/property you have to have permission .

 

[pilninggas]

haha well if it's any consolation officers in the city where I work get specifically trained that we can/should be expected to be recorded in all situations.

Even from a LEO perspective the whole situation was quite shady.

One other thing.... (I'm not fond of sterotyping )

"and thats part of the reason law enforcement is so corrupt mad: )..."

"...no one questions them (in some cases they do) they regulate the people and how they can use there weapons... ---> he didn't "use his weapon" by my standards...

"...cooperating..." (wasn't cooperating, per say, he started backing up, which imo can cause a little bit of raised awareness)

Albeit he definitely should have ID'd himself earlier... but in the heat of the moment I can somewhat see how it COULD (not should) happen that way.

PS, and if it were me... off duty, plain clothes... I would have let the marked car, that was obviously close, make the stop... which would have eliminated a lot of the issues... but that's just me

thats how it would happen in the UK; any stop would be done by an marked traffic vehicle, if they were alreasy there. Infact in high speed pursuit, usually a marked unit will replace an unmarked unit as the main pursuit vehicle as they are more obvious/visible.


Surely the actions of that 'officer' are unconstitutional? I bet the Continental Congress never had that in mind when they sought seccession from Britain!!

The right to bare arms, as long as you've put plenty of suntan lotion on them first!:justkidding:

 

[Spunky99]

I was going to say I got into this when I recorded some idiot Firemen playing tag with city water trucks .
In Texas if you are in public you are fair game , private residence/property you have to have permission .

I decided to stay out of the debate on the circumstances of the arrest as I don't have all the details or claim to know the laws in this case.
I do know it is a 1st Amendment right to record, take pictures or video tape just as it is a right to witness anything in public. I've never heard anyone (Police Etc) tell someone to close their eyes or turn their head and look away from anything going on..in public.LOL I've seen a lot of people put their hands in front of a camera or video recorder and declare they don't want to be recorded but the truth is that there is "ZERO expectation of privacy in public". So when the PoPo tell you to turn off the video cam, they are violating your 1st Amendment rights but to refuse may be painful. They can charge you with anything they want as in obstructing the duties of a Police Officer by refusing to turn off the cam but just because it is your right, do you want you butt kicked and the recording erased and the recorder destroyed? Not following the orders of a "Police Officer" (Federal Marshall, State Police FBI, Etc) is not a good idea. Now when it comes to a TSA agent outside Federal property, LOL..they can go pound sand....they aren't anything more than a Rent-a-Cop and have very little training on law or use of force or anything else. They aren't even given a thorough background check either.......

If you don't want to be exposed for the squid you are, don't be getting squiddly in a public place...period. The cities and states can make any law they want to but after review, the Federal courts have decided that this is an infringement of your Constitutional rights (1st Amendment) and any cases will be dismissed upon review no matter who filed them.