well hawaii does have the lowest education levels in the united states....unless that has changed in the past 3 years...... that explains a lot of things...
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Scooters... no not for me.
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well hawaii does have the lowest education levels in the united states....unless that has changed in the past 3 years...... that explains a lot of things...
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I have a scooter so I don't mess with my reliable motorcycle 
Actually, I don't have an FZ6R YET. Thought I was getting one earlier this year, but pay got cut instead so still rocking the 92 GS500E. I'll catch up with you guys sooner or later......
But for two years before I had my moto, I daily drove my 50cc Honda Ruckus. When I got my motorcycle, ripped it down, painted it, swapped the 50cc with a 150cc, made a custom exhaust with a GSX-R 1000 can. It's been fun, it can go almost 65mph, and gets 60-80mpg depending on how I drive.
In stock form the Ruckus is pretty fun, but barely holds 40mpg (although I was averaging 115mpg). I chose looks over function, but there's no storage which can be a huge negative. Also, since they are starting to become VERY popular, they are pricey and get stolen a lot. Just my $0.02
Actually, I don't have an FZ6R YET. Thought I was getting one earlier this year, but pay got cut instead so still rocking the 92 GS500E. I'll catch up with you guys sooner or later......
But for two years before I had my moto, I daily drove my 50cc Honda Ruckus. When I got my motorcycle, ripped it down, painted it, swapped the 50cc with a 150cc, made a custom exhaust with a GSX-R 1000 can. It's been fun, it can go almost 65mph, and gets 60-80mpg depending on how I drive.
In stock form the Ruckus is pretty fun, but barely holds 40mpg (although I was averaging 115mpg). I chose looks over function, but there's no storage which can be a huge negative. Also, since they are starting to become VERY popular, they are pricey and get stolen a lot. Just my $0.02
Spunky99
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See red
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I want the new aprilia coming in fall!!!!! 75~80 horse, 850cc, freakin animal! A company called Gillera (part of piaggio) made an 800 called the gp800 that was 70 horse, I can say it is bad ars! Really??? you can stuff 2 full face helmets and a gallon of milk under the seat... and it can out run our bike, oh and get 50 mpg lol! what's not to love? go get one.
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Linky please....
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BKP
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I was in Saint Martin couple months ago for a week... it seemed all they rode on the island were the Kymco "People" scoots... they were everywhere...
Perhaps they know something we don't...?
Perhaps they know something we don't...?
Couple of things:
If she wants anything that's really useful for transportation in California, she's really going to need the M1 license. The M2 is pretty much only good for mopeds and motorized bicycles with a top speed of under 30mph. The "under 50cc" category no longer exists here. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/motorcycles/motorcycles.htm
Kymco have really upgraded their bikes since they were a partner of Honda's. In my opinion, they make nicer scooters at better prices. A neighbor has the Agility 125 and loves it for getting around LA, off the freeways. It'll do street speeds quite nicely with a person and "commuting" type luggage. Another neighbor's friend has the Agility 50, which is very Zuma-like.
The Honda SH150i is a great little scooter but is made in Europe (it's the top seller in Italy, ahead of the Vespa, Aprilia, etc.) so it's expensive. Their PCX, that's made in Thailand is a much better deal. Both are 153cc and technically freeway legal, so probably a bit more to insure.
The European brands are great and the bigger ones will handle freeways nicely. Retired RAF pilot down the street rides around everywhere on a Piaggio 250, but the pricing is ridiculous and his take on it is that it's not incredibly more reliable than anything coming from the Japanese or Taiwanese makers.
Chinese stuff is a crapshoot. Have heard some decent thoughts about Jonway.
This guy is very opinionated, but has some useful thoughts: Just Gotta Scoot Home Page Even did a comparison of commuting on his 250cc scooter as compared to his Ninja 250, which was an interesting read.
If she wants anything that's really useful for transportation in California, she's really going to need the M1 license. The M2 is pretty much only good for mopeds and motorized bicycles with a top speed of under 30mph. The "under 50cc" category no longer exists here. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/motorcycles/motorcycles.htm
Kymco have really upgraded their bikes since they were a partner of Honda's. In my opinion, they make nicer scooters at better prices. A neighbor has the Agility 125 and loves it for getting around LA, off the freeways. It'll do street speeds quite nicely with a person and "commuting" type luggage. Another neighbor's friend has the Agility 50, which is very Zuma-like.
The Honda SH150i is a great little scooter but is made in Europe (it's the top seller in Italy, ahead of the Vespa, Aprilia, etc.) so it's expensive. Their PCX, that's made in Thailand is a much better deal. Both are 153cc and technically freeway legal, so probably a bit more to insure.
The European brands are great and the bigger ones will handle freeways nicely. Retired RAF pilot down the street rides around everywhere on a Piaggio 250, but the pricing is ridiculous and his take on it is that it's not incredibly more reliable than anything coming from the Japanese or Taiwanese makers.
Chinese stuff is a crapshoot. Have heard some decent thoughts about Jonway.
This guy is very opinionated, but has some useful thoughts: Just Gotta Scoot Home Page Even did a comparison of commuting on his 250cc scooter as compared to his Ninja 250, which was an interesting read.
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As is the case in Hawaii, they know that they live on an island where everything you use and every drop of gas has to be imported and is expensive as hell. They also have a climate that allows them to ride most of the time.
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RoadTrip
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Ahhhh scooters.
My take:
Vespa with pretty girl - hawt.
Teen or hipster with 50cc to 150cc - different, but okay....
Grown man with a 500cc, $7,000+ hyperscooter - get a damn motorcycle!
My take:
Vespa with pretty girl - hawt.
Teen or hipster with 50cc to 150cc - different, but okay....
Grown man with a 500cc, $7,000+ hyperscooter - get a damn motorcycle!
Fizzer6R
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my take on (maxi) scooters, the technology is here, just need to get costs down so public can afford em. may not be in our lifetime, but i predict a time when some type of full size auto scooter hybrid will be faster than a manual shift motorcycle
Jon, just stopped by my local dealer because I happened to be walking by. (Venice Beach/Marina Del Rey). Probably similar environment to where your friend would use hers.
They sell a ton of Ruckuses, and also do pretty well with the mid-sized, larger-wheeled Kimcos. Biggest problem is the latter is "image." It's the west side. Nobody wants to be seen on a no-name brand, even if it does happen to be one of the biggest scooter companies in the world. They're not known here...
The dealer across the street sells the Genuine Buddy (and others from that brand) which is an American rebrand of a different large Taiwanese manufacturer. The JustGottaScoot guy I linked to earlier loves these.
This dealer (Honda/Kawasaki of Santa Monica, who are actually located in MDR) has some brand new older model years of the Kymcos sitting around. Says they're actually tougher sells than the bigger bikes in this area because people with money don't want Taiwanese 50ccs, though truthfully I think he's just a lousy dealer who spends most of his time pushing Ninja and CBR1000s on people who don't need them and can't handle them. I'm mentioning this because we're not all that far away from you, and with older stock in place, he might be willing to deal just to get rid of it.
In any case, if she's just looking to commute around on coastal zone surface streets, something like a Zuma or even a 50cc Ruckus is likely to be fine for her. The bigger displacements will use a bit more gas but not that much more, and they'll be a bit quieter as they mostly run at lower RPMs for the same speed.
Seriously though, in the 50-150cc range there's a ton of stuff, most of it is not bad except for the Chinese off-brands and it sounds like your friend isn't necessarily concerned with image and style. For her needs, probably doable for around $2000-2500 plus taxes and fees.
In SoCal I wouldn't worry about carb vs. FI. Carbs can of course be a pain in the ass in colder climates, but I'm currently riding a carbed bike and have no problems at all. 10 seconds of choke to start it, then it just runs. And she's not going to be worried about the cold-weather storage that some of our northern friends have to deal with.
They sell a ton of Ruckuses, and also do pretty well with the mid-sized, larger-wheeled Kimcos. Biggest problem is the latter is "image." It's the west side. Nobody wants to be seen on a no-name brand, even if it does happen to be one of the biggest scooter companies in the world. They're not known here...
The dealer across the street sells the Genuine Buddy (and others from that brand) which is an American rebrand of a different large Taiwanese manufacturer. The JustGottaScoot guy I linked to earlier loves these.
This dealer (Honda/Kawasaki of Santa Monica, who are actually located in MDR) has some brand new older model years of the Kymcos sitting around. Says they're actually tougher sells than the bigger bikes in this area because people with money don't want Taiwanese 50ccs, though truthfully I think he's just a lousy dealer who spends most of his time pushing Ninja and CBR1000s on people who don't need them and can't handle them. I'm mentioning this because we're not all that far away from you, and with older stock in place, he might be willing to deal just to get rid of it.
In any case, if she's just looking to commute around on coastal zone surface streets, something like a Zuma or even a 50cc Ruckus is likely to be fine for her. The bigger displacements will use a bit more gas but not that much more, and they'll be a bit quieter as they mostly run at lower RPMs for the same speed.
Seriously though, in the 50-150cc range there's a ton of stuff, most of it is not bad except for the Chinese off-brands and it sounds like your friend isn't necessarily concerned with image and style. For her needs, probably doable for around $2000-2500 plus taxes and fees.
In SoCal I wouldn't worry about carb vs. FI. Carbs can of course be a pain in the ass in colder climates, but I'm currently riding a carbed bike and have no problems at all. 10 seconds of choke to start it, then it just runs. And she's not going to be worried about the cold-weather storage that some of our northern friends have to deal with.
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Ahh.... and does that go with a small complex??? I have a motorcycle,have had several, and I have had a 600 not to mention a 500 scooter. Some of us are more self confident than others I guess....
You drive a car with auto don't you? lol! to each their own.
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Of equal size? in the same class? It happened you missed it.... Aprilia makes the mana and mana gt. At the track they will out run a shiver, er6n, and several others in the price class. BTW it will flat out out preform the 6r lol... but it is an auto built around a cvt.
The Gilera is capable of out performing our bike as well. It actually has a turbo kit for it lol! Ok..ok.. how about one you can do for less than the 6r and have it local? t-max.... That thing is actually an animal if you do it right. check it.
t max turbo peppe.t 0-500 metri - YouTube
