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WASHINGTON (AP) — The college class of 2012 is in for a rude welcome to the world of work.
A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.
Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.
An analysis of government data conducted for The Associated Press lays bare the highly uneven prospects for holders of bachelor's degrees.
Opportunities for college graduates vary widely.
While there's strong demand in science, education and health fields, arts and humanities flounder. Median wages for those with bachelor's degrees are down from 2000, hit by technological changes that are eliminating midlevel jobs such as bank tellers. Most future job openings are projected to be in lower-skilled positions such as home health aides, who can provide personalized attention as the U.S. population ages.
Taking underemployment into consideration, the job prospects for bachelor's degree holders fell last year to the lowest level in more than a decade.
"I don't even know what I'm looking for," says Michael Bledsoe, who described months of fruitless job searches as he served customers at a Seattle coffeehouse. The 23-year-old graduated in 2010 with a creative writing degree.
Initially hopeful that his college education would create opportunities, Bledsoe languished for three months before finally taking a job as a barista, a position he has held for the last two years. In the beginning he sent three or four resumes day. But, Bledsoe said, employers questioned his lack of experience or the practical worth of his major. Now he sends a resume once every two weeks or so.
Bledsoe, currently making just above minimum wage, says he got financial help from his parents to help pay off student loans. He is now mulling whether to go to graduate school, seeing few other options to advance his career. "There is not much out there, it seems," he said.
His situation highlights a widening but little-discussed labor problem. Perhaps more than ever, the choices that young adults make earlier in life — level of schooling, academic field and training, where to attend college, how to pay for it — are having long-lasting financial impact.
"You can make more money on average if you go to college, but it's not true for everybody," says Harvard economist Richard Freeman, noting the growing risk of a debt bubble with total U.S. student loan debt surpassing $1 trillion. "If you're not sure what you're going to be doing, it probably bodes well to take some job, if you can get one, and get a sense first of what you want from college."
Andrew Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University who analyzed the numbers, said many people with a bachelor's degree face a double whammy of rising tuition and poor job outcomes. "Simply put, we're failing kids coming out of college," he said, emphasizing that when it comes to jobs, a college major can make all the difference. "We're going to need a lot better job growth and connections to the labor market, otherwise college debt will grow."
By region, the Mountain West was most likely to have young college graduates jobless or underemployed — roughly 3 in 5. It was followed by the more rural southeastern U.S., including Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee. The Pacific region, including Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon and Washington, also was high on the list.
On the other end of the scale, the southern U.S., anchored by Texas, was most likely to have young college graduates in higher-skill jobs.
The figures are based on an analysis of 2011 Current Population Survey data by Northeastern University researchers and supplemented with material from Paul Harrington, an economist at Drexel University, and the Economic Policy Institute, a Washington think tank. They rely on Labor Department assessments of the level of education required to do the job in 900-plus U.S. occupations, which were used to calculate the shares of young adults with bachelor's degrees who were "underemployed."
About 1.5 million, or 53.6 percent, of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years. In 2000, the share was at a low of 41 percent, before the dot-com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecommunications and IT fields.
Out of the 1.5 million who languished in the job market, about half were underemployed, an increase from the previous year.
Broken down by occupation, young college graduates were heavily represented in jobs that require a high school diploma or less.
In the last year, they were more likely to be employed as waiters, waitresses, bartenders and food-service helpers than as engineers, physicists, chemists and mathematicians combined (100,000 versus 90,000). There were more working in office-related jobs such as receptionist or payroll clerk than in all computer professional jobs (163,000 versus 100,000). More also were employed as cashiers, retail clerks and customer representatives than engineers (125,000 versus 80,000).
According to government projections released last month, only three of the 30 occupations with the largest projected number of job openings by 2020 will require a bachelor's degree or higher to fill the position — teachers, college professors and accountants. Most job openings are in professions such as retail sales, fast food and truck driving, jobs which aren't easily replaced by computers.
College graduates who majored in zoology, anthropology, philosophy, art history and humanities were among the least likely to find jobs appropriate to their education level; those with nursing, teaching, accounting or computer science degrees were among the most likely.
In Nevada, where unemployment is the highest in the nation, Class of 2012 college seniors recently expressed feelings ranging from anxiety and fear to cautious optimism about what lies ahead.
With the state's economy languishing in an extended housing bust, a lot of young graduates have shown up at job placement centers in tears. Many have been squeezed out of jobs by more experienced workers, job counselors said, and are now having to explain to prospective employers the time gaps in their resumes.
"It's kind of scary," said Cameron Bawden, 22, who is graduating from the University of Nevada-Las Vegas in December with a business degree. His family has warned him for years about the job market, so he has been building his resume by working part time on the Las Vegas Strip as a food runner and doing a marketing internship with a local airline.
Bawden said his friends who have graduated are either unemployed or working along the Vegas Strip in service jobs that don't require degrees. "There are so few jobs and it's a small city," he said. "It's all about who you know."
Any job gains are going mostly to workers at the top and bottom of the wage scale, at the expense of middle-income jobs commonly held by bachelor's degree holders. By some studies, up to 95 percent of positions lost during the economic recovery occurred in middle-income occupations such as bank tellers, the type of job not expected to return in a more high-tech age.
David Neumark, an economist at the University of California-Irvine, said a bachelor's degree can have benefits that aren't fully reflected in the government's labor data. He said even for lower-skilled jobs such as waitress or cashier, employers tend to value bachelor's degree-holders more highly than high-school graduates, paying them more for the same work and offering promotions.
In addition, U.S. workers increasingly may need to consider their position in a global economy, where they must compete with educated foreign-born residents for jobs. Longer-term government projections also may fail to consider "degree inflation," a growing ubiquity of bachelor's degrees that could make them more commonplace in lower-wage jobs but inadequate for higher-wage ones.
That future may be now for Kelman Edwards Jr., 24, of Murfreesboro, Tenn., who is waiting to see the returns on his college education.
After earning a biology degree last May, the only job he could find was as a construction worker for five months before he quit to focus on finding a job in his academic field. He applied for positions in laboratories but was told they were looking for people with specialized certifications.
"I thought that me having a biology degree was a gold ticket for me getting into places, but every other job wants you to have previous history in the field," he said. Edwards, who has about $5,500 in student debt, recently met with a career counselor at Middle Tennessee State University. The counselor's main advice: Pursue further education.
"Everyone is always telling you, 'Go to college,'" Edwards said. "But when you graduate, it's kind of an empty cliff."
 
I graduated with a bachelor's degree in Economics & Finance in 2008. Never once did I work, or attempt, to get a job in that field.

I like to think that saying that I have a degree got me my current job, even though it is in a completely unrelated field, and nobody else I work with went to college.
 
They really need to get teaching off that list. There are NO schools hiring around me. When a job opens, there are hundreds of applicants. And every teacher without tenure is worried about losing their job. My girlfriend graduates this semester and will be certified to teach birth through 6th grade. She is very stressed about finding a job.

I'll have my BSN RN in one more year. Right now, that's one of the only things that it's easy to get a job in.

I have many friends who can't get jobs in their majors. However, a lot of them chose a degree because it was easy.

The economy really needs to pick up...
 
It think College costs a ridiculous amount of money especially if you are at a D1 school. I go to college full time and work a minimum of 30 hours a week to get by and I still have plenty of school debt.

Tuition at my school has gone up every year I have been here but I have not seen any real improvement at this institution. Government should not give these colleges a bunch of money to use if they are raising our tuition every year. Schools seem like they focus on profit more than the students at times. I remember in high school every student had to pay 80 dollars a quarter for a parking pass so thats 320 a year with at least 500 kids.. not sure that maintenance and monitoring of a high school parking lot costs all that much. Just crazy that it spans through all levels of education, they will get you somehow..
 
degrees are pointless. It took me about 6 months to find a job and its not related at all of course...

for computer related jobs, all they care about are certifications and experience. You seldomly see a listing that cares about a college degree and even then, experience, plus certs come first...
 
I have an Associates in General Engineering specializing in CAD. I think it has definitely helped, but I sure am not using the CAD portion like I wanted to. That is what I wanted the main job focus to be, but just no real luck. Now it has been so long since I have really worked with CAD programs that its like I would be starting all over anyways.

I am glad that the degree was cheap and I actually got financial aid and did not have to pay much of anything out of pocket at all. No loans or anything. I would like to go back for a Bachelors degree but I just do not see it paying off for the cost of the degree... Maybe just go back to school and take a couple classes that directly relate to the jobs I am looking at. Not sure...
 
I personally made a few mistakes in my college career.

For starters I was told I had to go to college I was the first one in my family to do so. I had no idea what I wanted to go to school for. I was told to pick something I enjoy....at the time I frelanced websites and graphics...so I chose web and graphic design. This was great when I went to take a college tour for Rasmussen...because it was close, they promise job placement, and hands on help at the college with small class sizes. My family didnt want me to go to a state school to avoid the party scene and focus on school. Rasmussen seemed great,,,until I realised I signed a whole bunch of forms and told I would graduate in 2 years and have a great paying job, but had no idea how much the schooling would cost. I didnt have my parents protection because they had never gone through college or been through this process and so when they coached us around knowing the incured cost....we didnt know any the better. Is that their fault? Yes....Is it our fault? Yes. We should have been more persistent.

My next mistake came into the picture because before I went to college I bought a car, the car I was driving had 238,000 miles on it. I bought a 2004 Chevy impala ls for 8,000. Now I had a car payment, and insurance, gas, and a cellphone bill....so I worked part time and school full time. I decided I wanted to move out so I switched from part time to full time work, and school down to part time. Moved out on my own.

I didnt like the program I was in after the third quarter, I started searching for jobs in that market only to find it EXTREMELY saturated. So I sat down with an advisor at the college and they had me switch to the business management program. In my 4th quarter I failed an accounting class. I didnt take it serious I was selling cars and working an incredible amount of hours and said screw it. I got kicked out of school.

Now Im back in college....taking it serious....but I couldnt go back to my same program....I did a hell of alot of research for careers and decided to go for accounting. They would transfer almost all of my credits for an associates in accounting....but if I wanted the bachelors I would have to start over as the courses dont transfer in properly according to the school. They have it structured this way for a reason.

So in a matter of 4 years....I have accrewed roughly 65,000 in student loan debt.....
for a 2 year degree....because I didnt know what I wanted to do at first, and then didnt take a few quarters seriously. I have a debt that will follow me for almost all of my young adult life....for atleast 15-20 years. This will equate to roughly $700 a month....in payments.

on an income of $2500 you take home roughly $2000 after taxes...
take out the $700 approx. for student loans...this leaves you with 1300
I rent right now and its $880 a month but the wife and I split it.
so at 1300-440 you have $860-$250 for a car payment=$610-$128 for car insurance=$482-38 for motorcycle insurance=$444-$87 for cell phone=$363.30 and now I have to pay health insurance so 363.30-138.80=224.50....thats all I will have left for gas and food....per month. that doesnt even include internet.

So you tell me.....do you think schools for profit should be allowed to exist...such as Rasmussen??? How can someone even survive...I know I made a mistake switching programs but I had no Idea at age 18 what I wanted to do for a living.....and I know In not the only person who has flunked a class and had to take a leave of absence to recollect and take things serious. They have career paths at the school that will certify you to make $12 an hour. Medical assisting, medical transcriptionist....they make pennies on the dollar unless you find a diamond in the rough job. My fiance went to the same school for Surgical Tech....she makes roughly $18 an hour which is decent money....but if her parents hadnt paid 80% of her student loans off for her she wouldnt be able to afford the student loan debt either. I unfortunately dont have my parents to help pay anything for me. I didnt get any state or federal assistance because my parents make $100,000 a year. Well they dont pay for anything for me and they never have. The system is messed up. And it gets to follow me for most of my life and Im not blaming anyone I just made some mistakes....some pretty expensive mistakes because I didnt know what I was doing and had no guidance. Pretty fuckin sweet.
 
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Oh, that degree in Victorian Literature hasn't gotten you a high paying job? You must be devastated and perplexed.

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Indeed.

The first guy on the list, a creative writing degree? Really? And he's surprised he's working at Starbucks for *what* reason...?
 
Indeed.

The first guy on the list, a creative writing degree? Really? And he's surprised he's working at Starbucks for *what* reason...?

I realize bullshit degrees like that dont get you much of anywhere....but what im talking about is how cost of education keeps skyrocketing....and job incomes are either cutting or cant get a job with an income to even pay the loans back. I wish I went to a state school.
 
I have a Bachelors in Graphic Design and have worked in the field since I graduated (not freelance aka. unemployed). Jobs within the creative field have some different requirements than a typical job. But for the most part they are the same.

I could have stopped at my associate level and eventually gotten to where I am now. But it would have taken 3-4 years longer. Also, I do get paid more and am open to more advancement opportunities within the corporate environment because I have a bachelors degree. Most management positions are not available to non-degree holding people.

My wife has a Bachelors in Interior Design. She hasn't worked a day of Interior Design in her life. But she's advancing within her company due to having a bachelor's degree and a good work ethic. Most compnaies do not care about what your degree is in, but rather if you can do the job. If you have a degree, it shows you can commit and finish something, and you're roughly educated.

In the end, its not about the position you get. Its about how hard you work at your position once you get it. Every employer knows who the superstars are and who is a lifer as a grunt.
 
I have a Bachelors in Graphic Design and have worked in the field since I graduated (not freelance aka. unemployed). Jobs within the creative field have some different requirements than a typical job. But for the most part they are the same.

I could have stopped at my associate level and eventually gotten to where I am now. But it would have taken 3-4 years longer. Also, I do get paid more and am open to more advancement opportunities within the corporate environment because I have a bachelors degree. Most management positions are not available to non-degree holding people.

My wife has a Bachelors in Interior Design. She hasn't worked a day of Interior Design in her life. But she's advancing within her company due to having a bachelor's degree and a good work ethic. Most compnaies do not care about what your degree is in, but rather if you can do the job. If you have a degree, it shows you can commit and finish something, and you're roughly educated.

In the end, its not about the position you get. Its about how hard you work at your position once you get it. Every employer knows who the superstars are and who is a lifer as a grunt.

I agree with you its a permission slip to obtain a job and states your educated.
 
I agree with you its a permission slip to obtain a job and states your educated.

Right, but it's not required in all cases. If you want a job bad enough, you can get it. The hardest part is getting your foot in the door. Then once you're in the door, work your way up through hard work and not making excuses for yourself. It takes time and effort, you know... like life. Absolutely none of it is going to be easy, but if its what you truely want, you can get it.

I know that sounds kind of ignorant, but its the truth. Take Sean Combs for instance. He started his empire off of running paper routes and working his a$$ off. He never graduated college, only did 2 years.
 
A little off topic but with some of the jobs that are available you don't get paid great. Which is why at least to my understanding, people on government assistance would rather stay on unemployment for the max term then get a job. They get more money for doing nothing than they would get working! Why not take advantage of the government if you know you can get away with it? Just something that really bugs me.
 
Oh, that degree in Victorian Literature hasn't gotten you a high paying job? You must be devastated and perplexed.

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Man, you just keep busting out Condescending Wonka :D I love it
 
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