Colorado shooting...


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dart1963

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So sad.. .and apparently they have him in custody... so we will get more info on this deranged person.

I hope none of our CO friends or families were involved.
 
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Nyuu

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That's crazy. Yea same for goes for me. I'm only waiting now on having the money available. When I left for basic I gave my dad my rifle and every once in a while I'll think of it and regret doing it. If more people were legally armed, less people would get hurt when one person decides to go crazy.
 
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HotSauce

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Another shooting

I'm glad to see other's out there that are pro-gun and pro-carry. I have my cc and my gun is on me all the time (when legal). You never know what can happen...police were on-scene before the shooting even started and still people were killed. There is no substitution for fast action. I can't wait to see the anti-gun legislators come out the woodwork here again and blame the law abiding citizens and say stricter gun laws are the answer. If one person had been carrying in that theater, there may have only been one or two deaths, but instead there are now 12 (as of the time I'm writing this) and they STILL think taking guns away from the good guys will solve all the problems; it never ceases to amaze me....in any case I'm preaching to the choir for some of you, and my thoughts and prayers are with the victims' families and friends.
 
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HotSauce said:
I'm glad to see other's out there that are pro-gun and pro-carry. I have my cc and my gun is on me all the time (when legal). You never know what can happen...police were on-scene before the shooting even started and still people were killed. There is no substitution for fast action. I can't wait to see the anti-gun legislators come out the woodwork here again and blame the law abiding citizens and say stricter gun laws are the answer. If one person had been carrying in that theater, there may have only been one or two deaths, but instead there are now 12 (as of the time I'm writing this) and they STILL think taking guns away from the good guys will solve all the problems; it never ceases to amaze me....in any case I'm preaching to the choir for some of you, and my thoughts and prayers are with the victims' families and friends.
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I agree completely. I have my CC permit and have had it for 10 years or so. I don't carry often though. I may start carrying more though. Ill never give up my guns, served active duty for 9 years I think I've earned the right to my guns.

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Marthy

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I don't have my CC permit but been looking into it lately.
 
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6R Blackout

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Just hearing the news, very very sad. Why does this type of thing happen. why couldn't that asshole take his own life and leave everyone else alone. It saddens me but at the same time makes me angry!:facepalm:
 
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Just another reason why I want to get my CC license and now will, even if in this situation nothing could have been done

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=national&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57476379/mass-shooting-at-batman-premiere-in-denver-suburb-aurora-colorado/&feed_id=1&videoid=37&catid=57476379

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And people say the Devil doesn't exist! How a man can murder 12 innocent people in cold blood is horrible! Bless the souls of all who lost their life. God can you imagine if you were there with your family!!!! My God.
 
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Michael Wilson

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Its so disturbing how people commit random acts of violence on random inocent civilians. Wait to turn 21 for my CC
 
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6R Blackout

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I myself have thought about getting my CC but there are so many restrictions on where you can and can't carry. Well atleast in Louisiana that is!

It is almost pointless to get it here in this state, But after hearing this news I may reconsider.

God bless the families of all the victims involved in that horrible and disturbing incident.
 
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Enjarin

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Although I'm fully in support of the right to carry and have had my CC for years, keep in mind that the circumstances probably would not have changed much. The odds were completely in the shooters favor.

1. He was wearing armor including a bullet proof vest and a swat helmet.
2. He used tear gas in the theatre (yeah you can't breathe and your blind now)
3. The theatre was packed with moviegoers including small children as young as 3 months old
4. All these people were running in different directions, diving over seats, etc.

Not to mention the CC is typically illegal in theatres (because it stops bad guys right?)

So the likelihood of pulling out your weapon, yelling, "Die scumbag!", shooting the guy dead with no muss and no fuss would be highly unlikely without hurting or killing someone else and maybe losing your own life.

And if you do happen to hurt or kill someone else while stopping this guy, your life will end as you know it. You will be arrested and convicted of a number of crimes which may include a felony. You will be sued by the family or families. You're not a hero, your the guy who got in the way.

Armed civilians can create possibilities to change the outcome for good or bad. As I said, I'm in favor of it. But each situation is different. If you plan to carry, please take some advanced courses which teach situational awareness and what to do in different scenarios, not just the silly CC course. That course only teaches the law and general info about weapons. It gives you the ability to learn much like an "M" endorsement or MSF does for bikes. Don't just get the CC, carry it and assume you're solid and can make the right decision when the time comes.
 
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I let my CC permit expire and have not renewed it since I moved to OR. :facepalm:Really need to get it again. Crazy ass people out there. Does not matter where you are.
 
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bleedinblue

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I think this will allways happen until society takes responsibility for their own safety.Even with a cc permit, and if you carry a 1911.What are you gonna do, stop a purse snatcher with a knife or .22?If a criminal gets the drop on you, all you have left is finding cover or getting out of range.Drawing, then acquiring a sight picture isnt a smart option at that point.

If people weren't instantly viewed, and labeled as a criminal upon sight carrying a carbine.This might of been stopped out in the parking lot, safely.Even just a .17 varmint rifle could of been a game changer here.But not a .45 with a 5'' barrel and sights.

But I do think if you were in the audience, with a .380.The only responsible thing to do is to not use it.I agree they should be illegal inside.It would add to much confusion, panic, and badly placed shots.But if your in the parking lot, have a deer rifle in the car, and see a guy in a gas mask thats armed.I say game on!

I dont see why we have drivers ed, but nothing for gun safety.If people are against owning, or carrying then I support them.If someone wants to learn and make efforts to protect themselves and others then I support that even more.

But ill never be able to support a person thats anti gun, has never made an effort to develop security in their own community, and thinks that 911 will save them.

A scary looking carbine doesnt mean your carrying a m60 like people tend to think.Carrying a carbine like the ruger pc9 should be more common place imo.It uses the same 9mm cartridge and magazine as a very popular line of handguns.All it does is give you the ability to defend yourself beyond handgun range, or take a more positive shot in hg range.

I just honestly think modern society led to this just as much as the shooter.Educated gun owners add to the economy, not just safety.Restricting those people just does damage.Education is the only way.

Police couldnt stop the 2 LA bank robbers from 97 with handguns.Swat did with a 5.56.Now police carry more than just a handgun.We need to demand that as well.

If im staying in a hotel out of state, and had to leave my carbine at home.Im gonna be pretty pissed off at society if the craigslist killer kicks in my door, and I have to fight a gun with a phone..

Iv never made a irresponsible decision with a gun.Why am I judged like I will?
 
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Wolfpack

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So your saying if some psycho is killing people i have to just try and hide and hope he can't shoot me.. to hell with that.
guy had a gas mask on not full body armor. it was dark and he was mostly shooting blind(with the gas in the theater) drawing and getting a clean shot off isn't that tough, if its him or me i'm going to drop the Motherfu**er.

I carry a 45 9 and a .380(not at same time,but i could if i wanted to)
 
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Wolfpack

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So the likelihood of pulling out your weapon, yelling, "Die scumbag!", shooting the guy dead with no muss and no fuss would be highly unlikely without hurting or killing someone else and maybe losing your own life.


Why in the hell would you yell anything just shoot the freak. if he has a vest on you shoot him in the face, or take his legs out. its going to be hard to shoot with 10 shots in your legs,nuts,hips.
 
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bleedinblue

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Wolfpack said:
So your saying if some psycho is killing people i have to just try and hide and hope he can't shoot me.. to hell with that.
guy had a gas mask on not body armor. it was dark and he was mostly shooting blind(with the gas in the theater) drawing and getting a clean shot off isn't that tough, if its him or me i'm going to drop the Motherfu**er.
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No, I said I believe you should be allowed to carry something with just as much range as a criminal.If you honestly think that you can run across a parking lot, get into handgun range, and prevent something like this then go for it..I still believe it could be done alot safer.

I never said he had on body armor, just a gas mask.
I used the 97 LA bank robbery as an example to why handguns are now obsolete, they had body armor.. Also I used the ruger pc9 as a example that theres a good alternative to handguns and higher powered carbines..

Id be willing to bett the PD responded with carbines in hand..All I meant is I dont see why you can't have one with you to...If youve educated yourself enough with it.
 
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Blue-Sun

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Not trying to hi-jack the thread here, but...

Do we know anything about the shooter??

I remember when Congresswoman Giffords was shot (along with others) in Tucson, AZ. It later came out that the shooter, Jared Lougner, was mentally unstable, which somewhat answered the question "Why??" (imo).

For me, I always wonder what could happen to someone to make them do such an act.
 
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Michael Wilson

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I personally think he should be put on trial by military courts. In my eyes this was an act of terrorism, therefore making it a military matter.

Just my 2cents
 

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Chevyfazer

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No one knows exactly how they would react in a situation until you are in the situation so it's hard to say for sure that "F*** yeah I'd put a bullet right between his eyes" for one adrenaline does wonders for some but can make others run. But in this situation it would be a tough call with it being dark, tear gas, people running around etc etc etc, if you were able to make a clean focused shot sure go for it but I imagine that would have been near impossible how this all played out, someone just returning fire randomly could very well cause more damage then good. I'm a firm believer that if more people had their CC and were properly trained these kinds of things would be reduced or at least the damage these psychos cause would be reduced. But at the same time I don't think everyone should have a CC, there are plenty of people out there who would do more harm then good and for this reason I think there should be better and more training mandatory for getting a CC
 
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