Me too. But I'm in a huge metro area and in a business where my target market is thousands of companies in different industries. I can afford to burn a bridge or two now and then. In fact, I enjoy it.
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Just my two cents, here...
Have you researched your situation on the Department of Labor websites...
Here is MN
Minnesota Department of Labor and Industry
Here is the Federal site
United States Department of Labor
I know that both the State and Federal governments don't take to kindly to employees not receiving final wages or commissions. They may be able to help you, without the need or expense of your own attorney.
Poke around on the websites and see if there is anything there that might help you.
Again, just my two cents...
All the best & Good Luck with your situation.
Have you researched your situation on the Department of Labor websites...
Here is MN
Minnesota Department of Labor and Industry
Here is the Federal site
United States Department of Labor
I know that both the State and Federal governments don't take to kindly to employees not receiving final wages or commissions. They may be able to help you, without the need or expense of your own attorney.
Poke around on the websites and see if there is anything there that might help you.
Again, just my two cents...
All the best & Good Luck with your situation.
+1 on this... Don't involve your current position... That always ends badly...
Messy situation. There are labor laws that may apply. My suggestions would be:
1. Save the texts. Export, copy, take a photo, whatever. It's proof of an admission of a debt and potentially a threat by an employer. Save any emails too.
2. Seek the counsel of a lawyer. General counsel from a lawyer is usually free. If you want the lawyer to take any action, that's not free. This may not be over even if you wish it to be. He can continue to make things difficult for you for a long time. The lawyer can at least tell you what you can do, and more importantly, what you should NOT do.
3. Until then, do not reply to texts, emails, phone calls or get into any type of negative back and forth with the person. That only complicates the issue further and can cause you more issues.
4. Keep the situation to yourself. Do not discuss with anyone at work or friends who know people in the company. People talk.
1. Save the texts. Export, copy, take a photo, whatever. It's proof of an admission of a debt and potentially a threat by an employer. Save any emails too.
2. Seek the counsel of a lawyer. General counsel from a lawyer is usually free. If you want the lawyer to take any action, that's not free. This may not be over even if you wish it to be. He can continue to make things difficult for you for a long time. The lawyer can at least tell you what you can do, and more importantly, what you should NOT do.
3. Until then, do not reply to texts, emails, phone calls or get into any type of negative back and forth with the person. That only complicates the issue further and can cause you more issues.
4. Keep the situation to yourself. Do not discuss with anyone at work or friends who know people in the company. People talk.
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That's a tough one, CC. If I'm understanding all these posts correctly, you were promised a bonus for each product sold. That promise was not in writing. You also have documentation to support the fact that you're owed an unspecified amount of money, but the ower is unwilling to pay.
Third party view, here: There was a lot to read, so if I've missed something, hollar out. You've no proof to show that you were promised X amount of money for each product sold. You did a bang-up job of selling the product, but got screwed by corporate politics.
You have emails showing that money is owed you, but no documentation to prove how much.
Myself personally, in that situation? If we're talking thousands of dollars, I'd be exploring every opportunity for payment. If it's just a few hundred, I'd really think about ALL the costs involved. If it's several hundred bucks, I'd write it off, and screw the bastard the first time opportunity allowed. And again. And again. And maybe, just as his business is going in the toilet - I'd twist the knife and never let him know it was me, driving business away from him. I'd know. Vindication can be personal as well as public. The beauty of that scenario is the fact that he'll just know his business failed. He'll have to live the rest of his life knowing that he was a total failure. LOSER with the big L on the forehead.
If you're really lucky, he'll try another business, and you get to do it again!
Just my 2c. Hope it helps grease the mental wheels.
Third party view, here: There was a lot to read, so if I've missed something, hollar out. You've no proof to show that you were promised X amount of money for each product sold. You did a bang-up job of selling the product, but got screwed by corporate politics.
You have emails showing that money is owed you, but no documentation to prove how much.
Myself personally, in that situation? If we're talking thousands of dollars, I'd be exploring every opportunity for payment. If it's just a few hundred, I'd really think about ALL the costs involved. If it's several hundred bucks, I'd write it off, and screw the bastard the first time opportunity allowed. And again. And again. And maybe, just as his business is going in the toilet - I'd twist the knife and never let him know it was me, driving business away from him. I'd know. Vindication can be personal as well as public. The beauty of that scenario is the fact that he'll just know his business failed. He'll have to live the rest of his life knowing that he was a total failure. LOSER with the big L on the forehead.
If you're really lucky, he'll try another business, and you get to do it again!
Just my 2c. Hope it helps grease the mental wheels.
DakinechicK
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Unfortunately I agree with some others on here. My husband is in sales and gets EVERYTHING in writing that has to do with money one way or the other. Even, if it's a small amount. ALWAYS GET IT IN WRITING!! It doesn't matter if you have emails and texts between the two of you. A written report or contract or whatever else you want to call it, SIGNED by BOTH parties is what will hold up for a win in court. If you go to court with texts and emails, the judge will laugh at you.... no offense. Some states do in fact say verbal agreement is fine, however in your situation with a corporate company, it will get you know where. You HAVE to have things like this situation, in WRITING with signatures from both sides for courts to consider it.
Life lessons my dear. You can always try and see where you get, but my husband says time and time and time again.... "ALWAYS get it in writing!" Weather its a car deal the salesman agrees to, an apartment lease discussing the price owed per month, or the ordeal you are in right now where you sold something for someone and they promised you a commission. Even for a few hundred bucks, a lot of time if it's not in writing that they promised you a commission and back tracked deciding not to pay you.... you have nothing to go on. You didn't sign anything AGREEING to get paid.
In my opinion, they KNEW this long ago and figured they could pull one over on you (I'm betting its happened more than once to someone who also didn't know) since it wasn't in writing, they KNEW they could get away with it. It's a sad reality and people are certainly shitty, but I think you are out a few hundred bucks my dear.
Never EVER EVER agree to something by just a verbal contract and a shake of the hand... even with a buddy. At the end of the day people are out for themselves and money grubbers are the worst!! The sad truth is that some people, if capable of getting away with not having to pay you...will. Welcome to the real world of hate and backstabbing.
Sorry CC. Not trying to pee in your cheerios, but it's time to count your losses and move on I'm afraid.
ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU ARE OWED IN WRITING!!!! And SIGNED!!!
Life lessons my dear. You can always try and see where you get, but my husband says time and time and time again.... "ALWAYS get it in writing!" Weather its a car deal the salesman agrees to, an apartment lease discussing the price owed per month, or the ordeal you are in right now where you sold something for someone and they promised you a commission. Even for a few hundred bucks, a lot of time if it's not in writing that they promised you a commission and back tracked deciding not to pay you.... you have nothing to go on. You didn't sign anything AGREEING to get paid.
In my opinion, they KNEW this long ago and figured they could pull one over on you (I'm betting its happened more than once to someone who also didn't know) since it wasn't in writing, they KNEW they could get away with it. It's a sad reality and people are certainly shitty, but I think you are out a few hundred bucks my dear.
Never EVER EVER agree to something by just a verbal contract and a shake of the hand... even with a buddy. At the end of the day people are out for themselves and money grubbers are the worst!! The sad truth is that some people, if capable of getting away with not having to pay you...will. Welcome to the real world of hate and backstabbing.
Sorry CC. Not trying to pee in your cheerios, but it's time to count your losses and move on I'm afraid.
ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU ARE OWED IN WRITING!!!! And SIGNED!!!
DakinechicK
Active Member
Verbal agreements that I'm talking about that hold up in court would be something like....
1. Renting a room in someones house and agreeing to stay there 6 months at $350 a month and then leaving at month 4 without telling them and deciding not to pay the $700 for the 2 months you skipped out on em.
2. Agreeing you would use the sheets/pillows/blankets,towels, etc (though not yours) and then when you leave you take them with you without telling said owner and they find out and come after you for them or the amount of money the products would be equal to.
3. Things like that.
In a BUSINESS setting, verbal agreements hardly have any just. Written agreements, signed and sealed however do.
You can try the back and forth text/email route, but a lot of time (none I've ever heard of) they just don't mean anything. It's just a lot of back and forth and there is really no solid evidence/proof of who paid who and if and when and why. To a judge, it looks/sounds like friends becoming enemies or co workers who are having a big spat and are just trying to get one over on each other....Not two mature guys trying to work something out or come to some sort of agreement.
1. Renting a room in someones house and agreeing to stay there 6 months at $350 a month and then leaving at month 4 without telling them and deciding not to pay the $700 for the 2 months you skipped out on em.
2. Agreeing you would use the sheets/pillows/blankets,towels, etc (though not yours) and then when you leave you take them with you without telling said owner and they find out and come after you for them or the amount of money the products would be equal to.
3. Things like that.
In a BUSINESS setting, verbal agreements hardly have any just. Written agreements, signed and sealed however do.
You can try the back and forth text/email route, but a lot of time (none I've ever heard of) they just don't mean anything. It's just a lot of back and forth and there is really no solid evidence/proof of who paid who and if and when and why. To a judge, it looks/sounds like friends becoming enemies or co workers who are having a big spat and are just trying to get one over on each other....Not two mature guys trying to work something out or come to some sort of agreement.
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Am sorry to hear about this...
Since your old boss is "so busy" and "won't make time to pay you what he promised," just think how ecstatic he will be to have to take time off his precious work to appear in Small Claims court. LOL.
Well, if you go that route, just make sure you have a solid case and can prove that the commissions were promised to you, earned, and that he has blatantly broken a verbal agreement.
You also may want to weigh how badly you want to burn this bridge though. If you let it go, will he just chill out and leave you be? Or, is he one of those vindictive assholes who will black ball you everywhere?
You need to decide if this particular battle is worth it or not. Sometimes it's worth it. But, sometimes you actually win the war by walking away from a losing battle. And, you save your own humanity by freeing yourself from the evil doings of people you need to leave behind in life.
We all support you whatever you decide.
Since your old boss is "so busy" and "won't make time to pay you what he promised," just think how ecstatic he will be to have to take time off his precious work to appear in Small Claims court. LOL.
Well, if you go that route, just make sure you have a solid case and can prove that the commissions were promised to you, earned, and that he has blatantly broken a verbal agreement.
You also may want to weigh how badly you want to burn this bridge though. If you let it go, will he just chill out and leave you be? Or, is he one of those vindictive assholes who will black ball you everywhere?
You need to decide if this particular battle is worth it or not. Sometimes it's worth it. But, sometimes you actually win the war by walking away from a losing battle. And, you save your own humanity by freeing yourself from the evil doings of people you need to leave behind in life.
We all support you whatever you decide.
oldtouring b
New Member
Food for thought..
CC- think about what your new employer will think when they hear about your lawsuit!! Donot make waves--it will come back to bite you..
CC- think about what your new employer will think when they hear about your lawsuit!! Donot make waves--it will come back to bite you..
Chevyfazer
New Member
I've been around he business, know owners of dealers, family works for dealers, family sub contracts for dealers, and I had a hand in getting a dealer shutdown through wrongdoings so I have a little info and background on what can or can't be done.
Basically in these smaller towns and even in bigger ones car dealers are a dog eat dog business, and everyone looks out for number one along with everyone knowing everyone. So the 1st thing I ask is Are you currently comfortably employed?
If you are here is how I would go about it, 1st approach your current boss and explain the situation and try to leave emotion out of it and keep it strictly about the bad business that has taken place. For one this will tarnish the guys rep while improving upon yours. Then try to take legal action so that you comfortably know that you still have a job.
Now if you are not comfortably employed, I would suggest you take it directly to his supplier 1st, and let them know just what kind of shady business this man is running. Do not try to take any legal action until you are comfortably employed again. This man could very possibly ruin your career if he really has the contacts he says he does.
3rd option, do you know any extremely reputable dealers, or owners of the dealers around your area? If you do you could go to them with this issue and ask their advice. That's how I handled a issue I had with a dealer in Florida not wanting to do warranty work. Just so happens I know the Thornton family very well (huge Chevy dealer in Ga) and was contacted by GM execs from Detroit, turns out I wasn't the 1st person that Florida dealer tried to scam but I was the last.
Live your life in fear.
I will reply to him: Fine, my attorney will contact you shortly. Send him a written request priority mail first, no more phone call. Send him something like you want to be paid in full within 30 days. If not a surcharge of 15% a week will be charge including all attorney fee. That's it!!! No phone call at all! Do everything by reg. mail from now and see what legal help you can get. One of you will get fuk in this deal.... make sure it's not you.
I worked at a race team once and I quit because they didn't have any driver and I accept a job with a much better team. The guy screw me not paying my last few days that were adding up to close to 1K. I send him a nice email reply... not quite something I can post here, his name was Tommass! LOL
Within the next 2 weeks I found new job to everyone working there... one of them came to work with me. I'm a very nice quite guy... but don't fk with my money...LOL
Good luck Bro. Be aggressive but polite. He might realize that it's easier to pay you than have to deal with court fee and a crazy motfkr like you! LOL
I worked at a race team once and I quit because they didn't have any driver and I accept a job with a much better team. The guy screw me not paying my last few days that were adding up to close to 1K. I send him a nice email reply... not quite something I can post here, his name was Tommass! LOL
Within the next 2 weeks I found new job to everyone working there... one of them came to work with me. I'm a very nice quite guy... but don't fk with my money...LOL
Good luck Bro. Be aggressive but polite. He might realize that it's easier to pay you than have to deal with court fee and a crazy motfkr like you! LOL
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I called them once about an employer trying to screw me. They were screaming to me on the phone to find out who that was. They wanted to have his name so bad! I call back the manager and tell him what the work dept told me, he was screaming at me too. The manager called me 2 hr later asking me were to deposit the $$$. He went to my bank and did a direct deposit for me.
Michael Wilson
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I have the best solution. Ride a bike
Completely agree with you here. Having it in writing is key.
Can't agree with you here.
I've been to court with e-mails. Not only are they fully admissible, but, they are are recoverable, even if deleted by the user, from the provider's e-mail archives (which are typically backed up to tape or worm, and stored for xx # of years). In this binary age, digital evidence is *extremely* important, valid, and admissible. (So be *very* measured about what you send out digitally... it's not as easily shredded as paper copies).
danieljardim
New Member
Agreed, nobody f**** with my money. You have everything recorded, all text messages and everything, If they paid you by check they have to track it because you HAVE to pay taxes by the end of the year( I get spiffs by check and I have to pay taxes on) and if you are a good employee, you don't have to worry about getting a job or keeping the one you have.
I quit a job because I was getting screwed with my money. I received the same threat because I'm good and the guy didn't want to loose me. Well his threats didn't work and I landed in a much better place and making more money and not getting screwed.
Don't be affraid. Sue his a** off and get your money. It's a 1000!!! everybody that told you to move on, make a collection and send him the money.
ajskillz13
New Member
I would probably wash my hands of the situation and not push it into a legal battle that just makes for more stressful situations. You've had a lot on your plate the last year or so and this just adds to it. Unless you need that money to eat next week, I'd let it be and do what another poster said and stick it to that guy down the road when you have an opportunity. There is no sense putting yourself in a sticky situation and risking getting black-balled from the industry that you specialize in.
Just my 2 cents... I know it's a matter of $$$ and principle, but you know that he will get what he deserves in the end. If there is no other person to contact to request payment, then I'd leave it alone unless you are 100% sure legal action will not affect your future employment / reputation.
Just my 2 cents... I know it's a matter of $$$ and principle, but you know that he will get what he deserves in the end. If there is no other person to contact to request payment, then I'd leave it alone unless you are 100% sure legal action will not affect your future employment / reputation.
at the end of the day you just have to ask yourself, would my life be simpler if I just let it go.... stress is a killer
yeah, sucks, and I'm a vengeful sort of person too, but there are just some things you say your piece, if it doesn't go your way, walk away.
yeah, sucks, and I'm a vengeful sort of person too, but there are just some things you say your piece, if it doesn't go your way, walk away.