How far do you riders lean on stock tires?
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Also I've done this before but for anyone that want's to know this.
Maximum available lean in the tyre means nothing when the bike can't go that far. sit down behind your bike and look at the tyre. imagine a straight line being drawn at that point as if the bike was leaned over. Now look at all the items in the way of achieving this lean, foot pegs, stands etc, the last lip of the tyre is designed for super sports which can have up to 10 degrees more lean than us.
Hence me repeatedly trying to say, don't chase the chicken strips...
Maximum available lean in the tyre means nothing when the bike can't go that far. sit down behind your bike and look at the tyre. imagine a straight line being drawn at that point as if the bike was leaned over. Now look at all the items in the way of achieving this lean, foot pegs, stands etc, the last lip of the tyre is designed for super sports which can have up to 10 degrees more lean than us.
Hence me repeatedly trying to say, don't chase the chicken strips...
Sounds like it, I did that once a while back and scared the $h1t out of myself when my toe touched. I ride with the front of my foot on the peg, sqeazing the tank with my knees (making good use of the stomp grips). Even on the highway, because of bad crosswinds I do it this way so I can lighten my grip. The one stretch on my commute gets some bad crosswinds. I ride in a full tuck in the am commute. :Sport:
Yes. When I shift my weight to the inside of the turn, my foot turns a little, causing my toe to turn out a bit. If I leave my sidestand on, the stand and my toes touch at the same time. I have Rizoma pegs, which are different enough from the stock pegs that they really can't touch until after my toes do.
You have to remember that, at speed, the suspension and tires compress in a turn. This causes all of the hard parts, and your feet, to touch down at a lesser lean angle than if you lean your bike over when it's stationary.
The ball of your foot is the front of your foot. Beyond that is your toes. The reason race boots have toe sliders is because the toes touch down sometimes.
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My bad, I was thinking heel. I'll keep my toes off the ground Sliders or not. LOL
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I wouldn't recommend leaning the bike while stationary (because if someone drops it, It ain't gonna be my problem).
But yes they will touch down earlier, but I think we're both passing the same message of chicken strips mean nothing if the bike cant do it...
The Rizoma pegs will do it, I run the stocks because I see no reason to push that hard, but yeah that explains it...
FastFreddy
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Yes, don't chase lean for the sake of chicken strips, they are basically impossible to get rid of with grippy tyres on this bike. Even FX National riders can't get rid of the front chicken strips on the D212 alpha now.
I have to admit that I will choose lines that gives me extra lean if the limit isn't high enough. I practise all the different lines and cornering techniques.
The main one being the "road line" of brake early stay wide on entry, late apex and stay tight on exit.
I'm gonna have to get a trackday fix soon, I'm nowhere near as good as I want to be, I'm still learning after 3 years of riding.
I have to admit that I will choose lines that gives me extra lean if the limit isn't high enough. I practise all the different lines and cornering techniques.
The main one being the "road line" of brake early stay wide on entry, late apex and stay tight on exit.
I'm gonna have to get a trackday fix soon, I'm nowhere near as good as I want to be, I'm still learning after 3 years of riding.
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I see new guys at the track all the time, and it is amazing how much they improve in one day if they talk to the instructors and practice what they're told. A race bike school is really good as well. You get a lot of instruction, practice, and critiquing in 1-3 days.
Absolutely. I got the Rizoma's for the track. The only other good reasons are for looks or because you live in an area where there are lots of twisties and you take advantage of that.
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SampsonNation
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Here's a picture of my back tire. There are no bald spots. The tire doesn't have that much wear on them.
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not "bald" but rather a flat spot (and not even "flat" but just a different profile than the edges, just not a consistent curve )... so instead of having a profile like this
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you have something more like
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as you lean over on the "flat" spot, you hit that "edge" and it just really drops... kind of night and day... I know that feeling from pushing lots of miles on tires, it starts out subtle and gets worse. You don't really even notice how bad it is until you put on a new set of tires. You can also exaggerate the effects by running the pressure on the lower side of the guidelines
Your tire looks fine. I think Dart was thinking that if the tire did have a flat spot that when you reach past that point on the tire the bike will have a more dramatic "drop" into the turn.
Are you maintaining/slightly accelerating when you're starting to lean into your turns? Perhaps your thought process on it is causing you to tighten/tense up also maybe even causing you to grip the bars harder?
I think once you just let it go a few times you will start to feel more comfortable.
It's kind of like learning how to skate. At first, it's hard to lean your skates until you're only on one edge. Once you do it a lot and get used to it, you start to trust your edges and then it's no big deal. Keep working at it while slowly increasing your lean angle and pretty soon it becomes old hat.
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SampsonNation
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I'm going to get a camera. I feel like I'm either doing it wrong, or I'm just not being confident enough.
The problem is.. I can turn at slow speeds, just not very well at higher speeds with a tighter corner.
The problem is.. I can turn at slow speeds, just not very well at higher speeds with a tighter corner.
Lean your body more than trying to lean the bike. Physically turn your head in the direction you want to go, like looking ahead a good 30-50 feet. You'll get it.
This. Don't try to understand and attempt one of our poorly written explanations. Read twist of the wrist, then go read it again. Then try taking things slowly, and build up.