+1. I don't think I've agreed too many times with you, but I do this time.
Shouldn't the speed limit sign itself be enough warning. I think so.
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WOW, this forum needs a dislike button.+1. I don't think I've agreed too many times with you, but I do this time.
Shouldn't the speed limit sign itself be enough warning. I think so.
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I obviously dont like speed traps, however, if people see cop cars they will almost always tap their brakes. Unfortunately, even if they are going the speed limit they will usually still slow down. So, if you dont see the LEO, you might assume there are none there. I get startled and sometimes scared when I suddenly see a LEO that was hiding, however it makes people drive like they normally would. I think in a way it is telling people "dont speed, you never know when there will be a leo around to ticket you".
I am actually very appreciative of this lately. There are roads around me that have speed limits of 60 and it seems that almost all cars are lately going well over 75-80 in these areas as I have seen my speedometer in my car and bike until I slow down after trying to keep up - as I am unwilling to risk a ticket.
I am actually very appreciative of this lately. There are roads around me that have speed limits of 60 and it seems that almost all cars are lately going well over 75-80 in these areas as I have seen my speedometer in my car and bike until I slow down after trying to keep up - as I am unwilling to risk a ticket.
Aww, thanks!+1. I don't think I've agreed too many times with you, but I do this time.
That's what I was thinking - there's a big freaking sign telling you the speed limit. You can obey it and you're "safe," or you can speed and maybe get a ticket or maybe not. If you don't get a ticket, woohoo, you got someplace a few minutes faster than the guy who didn't. Kind of like gambling, no? Except that ultimately you're the house.
Anyone remember Beretta - don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Baretta theme song w/ Sammy Davis Jr. - YouTube
Yeah, f#ck that.
The first time someone flashed their lights at me, saving me from a sure ticket, i was ecstatic.
After reading the -legal- definition of obstruction of justice, i do believe that flashing your lights IS obstruction of justice. Now, would i stop doing it?...H.E.L.L No! I dont think about it around the right of free speech, for me is more about civil disobedience. Having said that, i dont see what is the big deal about LEO's being "revenue generators". To live in a society we need rules and we have to follow/accept them (and -obvioulsy- a way to change/transform the ones that are no longer applicable or not liked, thus the civil disobedience, voting, etc); if you break the rules, you should be punished. So, if i get a ticket for flashing my lights i will deal with it the same way i deal with a speeding ticket....pay it! and move on. If you know what is expected of you AND the consequences of your actions...then you/we shouldnt be complaining if/when busted.
I actually think LEO's generating revenue is a great idea; they educate us, penalize "risk takers"/stupidity, and lower my cost -when im not one of those risk takers- of government... that is a good deal in my book.
After reading the -legal- definition of obstruction of justice, i do believe that flashing your lights IS obstruction of justice. Now, would i stop doing it?...H.E.L.L No! I dont think about it around the right of free speech, for me is more about civil disobedience. Having said that, i dont see what is the big deal about LEO's being "revenue generators". To live in a society we need rules and we have to follow/accept them (and -obvioulsy- a way to change/transform the ones that are no longer applicable or not liked, thus the civil disobedience, voting, etc); if you break the rules, you should be punished. So, if i get a ticket for flashing my lights i will deal with it the same way i deal with a speeding ticket....pay it! and move on. If you know what is expected of you AND the consequences of your actions...then you/we shouldnt be complaining if/when busted.
I actually think LEO's generating revenue is a great idea; they educate us, penalize "risk takers"/stupidity, and lower my cost -when im not one of those risk takers- of government... that is a good deal in my book.
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I think the problem with LEO's being revenue generators is the moral dilemma that ensues. If the motivation of the police is target driven, it has the potential to corrupt the enforcement of the law. Although most police officers wouldn't, there is a possibility that some officers might be pressured to lay charges that aren't warranted in order to meet their target. By not having a revenue based target, it allows officers to evaluate each situation from a common sense standpoint. Some times a warning is more effective or more beneficial in the long term. You never know when you might need a civilian to co-operate with you. Alienating the populous for the sake of a $75 speeding ticket is not the best way to build bridges in the community. I'm not saying all tickets are BS, quite the contrary in fact, but revenue based targets take away the times when a warning will suffice, and generally foster poor relations. Remember, traffic is a small part of police work. Sometimes people lose sight of the bigger picture.
The last ticket i got i was doing 80 something on a 55 (highway). I was rocking out and didnt realize i was speeding. When i saw the trooper i immediately knew he was going to pull me over…he signal me to pull over and got on his bike ready to chase me down, he didn’t need to. I pulled to his side before he even started his bike. He asked me if I knew why he pulled me over and I said “Yes sir, I was speeding”. He was actually startled by my answered. He was very professional and respectful, didn’t sermon me about the speed or the risk. After the usual procedure (license, registration, etc) I asked if this could be a warning instead of a ticket. He said no, instead he told me he would lower my speed to only 6 over the limit saving me more than 200 bucks. I thanked him and we went our ways. I was very satisfied with how he –professionally- handled the situation and did not feel I was alienated, discriminated, or abused. I rule was broken, he did his job, and I paid the ticket.
We all, in one way or another, have quotas and targets that we need to meet in our jobs. And we all know of people that cheat and game the system to meet those targets. Just because I have a target, and that I know that others cheat at them, it does not make me want to cheat. We all have a job to do, rules to follow; cheaters and thieves will always be, well, cheaters and thieves.
Oh, and I do not see why one can –or should- get alienated when caught breaking the rules.
Cheers.
I’ve never thought of that before; you are right, it could affect some LEO’s. I’m now even more pro LEO’s generating revenue. Traffic is about the lowest in hierarchy in the duties of the LEO’s, they have to deal with drugs, thieves, rapist, etc, etc. If they have to forget their common sense, or even worse, make up charges so they can write a $75 ticket that will get them to that target… what can we expect of them when they are offer thousands of dollars to look the other way? What happens we they have a –real- moral dilemma? So if a LEO brings up charges that are not warranted in order to meet his quota then I say let him/her do it. The people affected by his/her abuse will complain about it and the LEO, in time, will no longer be a LEO.
We all, in one way or another, have quotas and targets that we need to meet in our jobs. And we all know of people that cheat and game the system to meet those targets. Just because I have a target, and that I know that others cheat at them, it does not make me want to cheat. We all have a job to do, rules to follow; cheaters and thieves will always be, well, cheaters and thieves.
Oh, and I do not see why one can –or should- get alienated when caught breaking the rules.
Cheers.
I agree with this 100%!!
In a way it is kind of like someone complaining of being prosecuted for shoplifting because those hidden cameras video taped them, and there wasn't a sign warning of cameras in a store... *you just shouldn't do it.